Human shields in Gaza: More evidence of what Hamas was doing

[Loren Pechtel]

Military operations against civilians is a war crime no matter how you want to spin it.

Sometimes you have to look at the circumstances that led up to that killing.

The bombing of Dresden occurred after years of fierce war where the outcome was many times in doubt.

Actually Dresden was basically a tit-for-tat for Coventry. You destroy cities, we will destroy cities. Ugly but it seems to have worked, neither side went in for city-wrecking after that.

The firebombing of dozens of Japanese cities and the atomic bombs come after years of the same.

That was a different case--the Japanese industrial infrastructure was so dispersed that the only way to destroy it was to destroy the cities it was in. Valid military target.

And the fate of Palestinians in Gaza is just as much in doubt.

It is very easy when you are not being oppressed and attacked if any amount of resistance is shown to say what is absolutely moral and immoral.

No. Immoral remains immoral even if you're the underdog.

I still can't believe that your justification for the attempted ethnic cleansing of an entire people, is based on the fact that people who get bombed a lot don't always react well.

The only side that's trying to do ethnic cleansing is the Palestinians.

 

[arkirk]

Sometimes you have to look at the circumstances that led up to that killing.

The bombing of Dresden occurred after years of fierce war where the outcome was many times in doubt.

Actually Dresden was basically a tit-for-tat for Coventry. You destroy cities, we will destroy cities. Ugly but it seems to have worked, neither side went in for city-wrecking after that.

The firebombing of dozens of Japanese cities and the atomic bombs come after years of the same.

That was a different case--the Japanese industrial infrastructure was so dispersed that the only way to destroy it was to destroy the cities it was in. Valid military target.

And the fate of Palestinians in Gaza is just as much in doubt.

It is very easy when you are not being oppressed and attacked if any amount of resistance is shown to say what is absolutely moral and immoral.

No. Immoral remains immoral even if you're the underdog.

I still can't believe that your justification for the attempted ethnic cleansing of an entire people, is based on the fact that people who get bombed a lot don't always react well.

The only side that's trying to do ethnic cleansing is the Palestinians.

Loren: You have to quit saying these things. The Zionists are still seizing Palestinian land in the West Bank and building settlements. They are still moving Palestinians from their homes. You cannot tell me ONE CASE of the Palestinians running the Israelis out of any place the IDF has procured for them. Not ONE CASE. The situation is quite the opposite of what you are saying. The whole world knows this, so why do you keep saying it is the Palestinians are the only people doing ethnic cleansing. It is about as inaccurate as saying the Armenians were doing ethnic cleansing in Anatolia in the early 20th century...more inaccurate when you also are saying they were the only ones doing the ethnic cleansing. What you are saying is just plain wrong.

 

[laughing dog]

The only side that's trying to do ethnic cleansing is the Palestinians.

Regardless of putative intent, looking at results, one would have to say that the IDF is more effective at it than the "Palestinians".

 

[Jarhyn]

The only side that's trying to do ethnic cleansing is the Palestinians.

Regardless of putative intent, looking at results, one would have to say that the IDF is more effective at it than the "Palestinians".

I would go so far as to say that regardless of what the Israelis think they are doing, the effect it is having and is likely to have is in fact 'ethnic cleansing'. If Israel does not see that they may not be guilty of 'war crimes' but their government needs to be stopped until they realize what they are doing and stop supporting it.

With Palestine, they are only separated from the means and knowledge of how to successfully do an evil thing; stopping their government is only possible through removal. But Israel needs to be stopped first because their actions have a more destructive effect. Work on the biggest problem first. It may in fact be the case that if Israel quits being shits, Hamas will lose support anyway.

If there's a guy who hates you and wants you to die but has no money or guns and spends all day in a church praying for you to die, he is less of a priority than the guy who loves you and thinks that his revolver is full of magical healing bullets, and wants to help you by shooting you with them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The only side that's trying to do ethnic cleansing is the Palestinians.

Regardless of putative intent, looking at results, one would have to say that the IDF is more effective at it than the "Palestinians".

You continue to believe the myth that Israel keeps expanding.

The reality is that they are filling in behind the wall, not pushing it outward.

 

[laughing dog]

Regardless of putative intent, looking at results, one would have to say that the IDF is more effective at it than the "Palestinians".

You continue to believe the myth that Israel keeps expanding.

The reality is that they are filling in behind the wall, not pushing it outward.

Your response is an interesting combination of irrelevancy and inaccuracy. My comment was obviously about the number of those killed by the IDF and the "Palestinians". But the recent annexation of land in the West Bank by Israel is proof of the falseness of your claims.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You continue to believe the myth that Israel keeps expanding.

The reality is that they are filling in behind the wall, not pushing it outward.

Your response is an interesting combination of irrelevancy and inaccuracy. My comment was obviously about the number of those killed by the IDF and the "Palestinians". But the recent annexation of land in the West Bank by Israel is proof of the falseness of your claims.

That land was behind the wall.

 

[laughing dog]

Your response is an interesting combination of irrelevancy and inaccuracy. My comment was obviously about the number of those killed by the IDF and the "Palestinians". But the recent annexation of land in the West Bank by Israel is proof of the falseness of your claims.

That land was behind the wall.

For some reason, you feel your responses are relevant to the issue. The annexation is dispossessing people of their land. Whether it is behind some wall or not is irrelevant.

 

[Arctish]

Your response is an interesting combination of irrelevancy and inaccuracy. My comment was obviously about the number of those killed by the IDF and the "Palestinians". But the recent annexation of land in the West Bank by Israel is proof of the falseness of your claims.

That land was behind the wall.

So Israel steals land to build an illegal settlement, then it steals more land to build a wall near the settlement, then it steals even more land so it can build even more illegal housing, and you say the most recent theft doesn't count because it was behind the wall? That would be one helluva trick if Israel could pull it off. But since both settlement and wall are on stolen land, it doesn't matter on which side of the wall the most recently stolen land is located (which wall, BTW? The one around the official illegal settlement, or the one around the unofficial illegal settlement?). Either way it's been stolen, and Israel keeps stealing more.

 

[untermensche]

...which wall, BTW?...

The one condemned by the whole world except Israel and the US as illegal.