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NobleSavage

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I have quite a few right wing friends on Facebook and I see the memes come and go and the spiderweb of links to questionable sources. ( Granted the liberals have their own echo chamber, but this post is about the right).

The latest meme going around the right wing blogosphere is that Obama has manufactured a humanitarian crisis south of the border and the immigrants are invading. It's all part of Obamas secret plan to give them amnesty so that there will be more Democratic voters. Mix in a good measure of they are taking away jobs from real Americans.

What I know is true is that there is a wave of children showing up at the border from Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras. I've heard some comments that this because of narco violence. The right wing claims that rumors of amnesty are driving this migration. I don't believe this is the case as there is no uptick in illegal Mexicans.

The best article I can find is: http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/581340...merica-unaccompanied-children-immigrants-daca

However, as of today there is a new "scandal" going around that "proves" Obama is behind this "manufactured crisis": they claim that Obama is "surprised" by this wave of children. (I can't find anything in Google where there is a reputable quote on Obama being surprised). Anyhow, the ConservativeTreeHouse.com has dug up a federal vendor contract made back in January to house 65,000 youth. http://americanthinker.com/blog/201..._minors__in_january.html#.U6hX9lFBK0E.twitter This has gone viral on all the wingnut sites.
 
I suspect it's related to Obama not being so keen on deporting people who came here as young children and have known no other life. The right wingers are blowing this up in an attempt to bash Obama.
 
The DACA only applies to children who have been in the US since June 15, 2007. Kids coming across the border now are being deported. Why is there a sudden wave of child migrants -- up from an average of 6k a year to 60k? Why is there no uptick in Mexican children?

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To the OP: tell your right wing friends it's Obama's solution to the Republicans gerrymandering voting districts and forcing college kids to only vote in their hometowns, not the towns in which they go to school.

Fair's fair, right?
 
credoconsolans said:
To the OP: tell your right wing friends it's Obama's solution to the Republicans gerrymandering voting districts and forcing college kids to only vote in their hometowns, not the towns in which they go to school.

Fair's fair, right?
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That is a good point.
 
I'm endlessly fascinated by the powers the right wing attributes to Obama. As if he didn't have enough to do what with destroying 'Merica, he's able to destabilize not just Iraq, but several Central American countries to boot!

And the "secret plan" to give them amnesty so they'll vote? Leaving aside the fact that if the immigrants in this current "scandal" were to be given "amnesty" they wouldn't be given voting rights, they're also children, and even fully white adult US citizens can't vote for Obama in 2016. Nobody can.


As to your point about the lack of uptick in illegal Mexican immigrants, that's totally fair, but understand you're dealing with people who are more or less incapable of distinguishing between any number of brown people, and seem to think "ILLEGAL" is a country where people come from.
 
Imagine - Obama pushes for "Dream Act" that gives amnesty to minors, puts a version of it through as an executive order and thousands of illegal minors show up expecting amnesty.
Nobody could have predicted that outcome. :banghead:
 
Loren Pechtel said:
I suspect it's related to Obama not being so keen on deporting people who came here as young children and have known no other life. The right wingers are blowing this up in an attempt to bash Obama.
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That would have been ok if linked to border security program (to finally include fence) because otherwise you just give more incentive for people to come (or send their kids) here illegally.
Furthermore, his Dream Act is too broad - it includes minors that have "known other life", mandates only 2 years of college or military service and even allows a certain level of criminal record.
 
NobleSavage said:
The DACA only applies to children who have been in the US since June 15, 2007. Kids coming across the border now are being deported. Why is there a sudden wave of child migrants -- up from an average of 6k a year to 60k? Why is there no uptick in Mexican children?
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They are not being deported.
LA Times said:
The children are screened and then must be transferred to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, which places them in temporary shelters. The children then become wards of the federal government. Meanwhile, Office of Refugee Resettlement officials are required to “act in the best interest of the child,” which often means reuniting the child with a parent or relative living in the U.S. Others are placed in foster care.
An estimated 65% of the children are placed with a sponsor — usually a family member, according to the Vera Institute of Justice. The federal government has reported that the number may be higher, between 85% and 90%, according to Kids in Need of Defense, an advocacy organization that works to find pro bono representation for these children.
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Many, if not most of these illegals will stay in the US permanently. And we are not talking a small number either:
It used to be that most of the children who entered the U.S. alone and illegally came from Mexico. That changed in fiscal year 2013, when more Central American children — nearly 21,000 from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras — entered the country illegally. A little more than 17,000 originated from Mexico.From the start of this federal fiscal year on Oct. 1 through May, 34,611 were from Central America and 11,577 from Mexico.
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Those are huge numbers!
Explaining the crisis on the Southwest border as children seek refuge
 
The US is not the only destination country. Kids are also showing up at Panama, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Belize.
 
Derec said:
Loren Pechtel said:
I suspect it's related to Obama not being so keen on deporting people who came here as young children and have known no other life. The right wingers are blowing this up in an attempt to bash Obama.
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That would have been ok if linked to border security program (to finally include fence) because otherwise you just give more incentive for people to come (or send their kids) here illegally.
Furthermore, his Dream Act is too broad - it includes minors that have "known other life", mandates only 2 years of college or military service and even allows a certain level of criminal record.
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The fence is meaningless. A fence only serves to slow people down which is a meaningless deterrent if there isn't someone there to stop them.
 
What I think would work best is to enforce E-Verify. There are positive reports on both the right and left. There is no federal law it's all state by state. Arizona has an E-Veify law but they don't enforce it. Texas still uses I-9s. California only selectively enforces it.
 
NobleSavage said:
What I think would work best is to enforce E-Verify. There are positive reports on both the right and left. There is no federal law it's all state by state. Arizona has an E-Veify law but they don't enforce it. Texas still uses I-9s. California only selectively enforces it.
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I think it's a horrible idea. Can you say "identity theft"?

My mother had enough trouble with the IRS 30 years ago from this--someone used her social security number for employment and the IRS wasn't willing to consider that the resulting W-2 was bogus. I went off to college at that point and I don't know how it ever got resolved.
 
You SSN number is already in a thousand databases how is one more going to make a difference? If a determined hacker wants a gazillion SSN numbers they are going to get them. Illegal sites on TOR already sell everything from SSN numbers to paypal accounts.

E-Verify is supposed to have anti-fraud algorithms like the credit card companies have. If they they think something is wrong they lock the SSN number and you have to prove your identity. Yeah, it would be a pain in the ass if you had a false positive, but that would be better than someone using your SSN number for years.
 
NobleSavage said:
You SSN number is already in a thousand databases how is one more going to make a difference? If a determined hacker wants a gazillion SSN numbers they are going to get them. Illegal sites on TOR already sell everything from SSN numbers to paypal accounts.

E-Verify is supposed to have anti-fraud algorithms like the credit card companies have. If they they think something is wrong they lock the SSN number and you have to prove your identity. Yeah, it would be a pain in the ass if you had a false positive, but that would be better than someone using your SSN number for years.
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You misunderstand. I'm not worried about my SSN in a database--as you say, it's already in many, many places.

I'm worried about illegals stealing my identity in order to work and causing me problems. e-verify is not a substantial barrier to illegals so long as they can work under a stolen identity and when they do so it causes more problems for Americans than if they were simply working illegally.
 
How is that any different than them steeling or buying your identity and putting it on an I-9? With E-verify they could incorporate a photo. I'm not crazy about Orwellian shit and big government databases but that ship sailed a long time ago.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
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The fence is meaningless. A fence only serves to slow people down which is a meaningless deterrent if there isn't someone there to stop them.
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By itself yes but if you slow them down you make it more likely they will be caught if you man the border as well, especially if you have breach sensors and cameras on the fence as well.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
I think it's a horrible idea. Can you say "identity theft"?
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There is identity theft outside of e-Verify system already but that is no reason to abolish say the credit card system.
It's all about shifting the balance of cost-benefit calculation for would-be illegals. If you make it more difficult (and more likely to result in an arrest) to enter illegally, more difficult to find work while illegal etc. you reduce illegal immigration.
As far as identity thieves, make sure you consequently prosecute them as felonies and make everyone guilty of identity theft illegible for any amnesty. Current proposals exempt immigration related crimes which is a big mistake.
 
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