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Introducing Seattle Councilwoman Kshama Sawant

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 Kshama Sawant is a member of the Socialist Alternative party, the United States section of the British-based Trotskyist international organization the Committee for a Workers' International (CWI). She has referred to herself as a Marxist.[28][40] Sawant has stated that she does not advocate for any system like the "bureaucratic dictatorship" of the former Soviet Union, but for democratic socialism meaning "the society being run democratically in the interest of all working people on the planet, all children - everybody who has needs, and all that being done in an environmentally sustainable manner."[41]

Involvement with Occupy

Before running for office, Sawant received attention as an organizer in the local Occupy movement.[1][23] She praised Occupy for putting "class", "capitalism", and "socialism" into the political debate.[28] After Occupy Seattle protestors were removed from Westlake Park by order Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn, Sawant helped bring them to the Capitol Hill campus of Seattle Central Community College, where they remained for two months.[14] Sawant has joined with other Occupy activists working with local organization to resist home evictions and foreclosures. She was arrested with several other Occupy activists including Dorli Rainey on July 31, 2012 for blocking King County Sheriff's Deputies from evicting a man from his home.[42]

Economic policies

Sawant called for large Seattle companies such as Starbucks and Amazon to be unionized in her most recent campaign.[30] In previous campaigns she has advocated the nationalization of large Washington State corporations such as Boeing, Microsoft, and Amazon.com[31] and expressed a desire to see privately owned housing in "Millonaire's Row" in the Capitol Hill neighborhood turned into publically owned shared housing saying, "When things are exquisitely beautiful and rare, they shouldn't be privately owned."[43] During an election victory rally for her City Council campaign Sawant criticized Boeing for saying it would move jobs out of state if it couldn't get wage concessions and tax breaks. She called this "economic terrorism" and said in several speeches if Boeing moved jobs out of state that the workers should take over Boeing facilities and bring them into public ownership. She has said they could be converted into multiple uses, such as production for mass transit.[44][45] She is also a supporter of single-payer health care.[30] Sawant maintains that a socialist economy cannot exist in a single country and must be a global system just as capitalism today is a global system.[46]

Environment, education, and immigration

She opposed the construction of the Alaskan Way Viaduct replacement tunnel calling it "environmentally destructive" and "something most people were against, most environmental groups were against".[14]

Sawant opposes the Measures of Academic Progress test in public schools and has supported the teachers' boycott of the standardized tests.[30] Sawant has called for a revolt against student debt saying that "the laws of the rich are unenforceable if the working class refuses to obey those laws."[28] She is an active member of the American Federation of Teachers union[40] and has been critical of American labor union leadership, saying the leadership, "...in the last 30 years has completely betrayed the working class. They are hand in glove with the Democratic Party, pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into their campaigns, and they tell rank and file workers that you have to be happy with these crumbs…" Sawant believes the American Labor movement should break with the Democratic Party and run grassroots left-wing candidates.[28]

Sawant advocates for a moratorium on deportations of illegal immigrants from Seattle and granting unconditional citizenship for all persons currently in the United States without citizenship. She opposes the E-Verify system.[30][30][31][43]

Rejection of major political parties

Sawant said she rejects working within the Democratic and Republican two-party system, and says socialists should campaign as a third party:



“The job of socialists is to point the way forward, and we are not shy about it. We invite people to debate with us on ideas of socialism. But we are not shy and we have been proven, resoundingly correct, that we should not be shy, because there is no excuse for being shy or reticent when you are talking about such serious issues as fighting against the enormous misery that capitalism unleashes on us, all over the world. So let's be clear about it, let's not be shy. This is not a time for modesty; this is a time for boldness and courage.[28]”


Sawant has encouraged other left-wing groups, including Greens and trade unions, to use her campaign as a model to inspire a much broader movement in 2014:



“We need a movement to break the undemocratic power of big business and build a society that works for working people, not corporate profits - a democratic socialist society.[47]"
 
Wants all illegals to get citizenship. Wants to nationalize (i.e. "expropriate") businesses like Microsoft and Boeing. Wants to turn large, expensive private houses into public housing like a scene from Dr. Zhivago. Is against testing in schools. Wants labor unions to run far-left candidates against the Democrats (without either realizing or caring that that would only result in them being nadered).
And that's just from that wikipedia excerpt you posted. Can we just call her "Idiot Sawant"?
 
I love crazy councilcritters. They are ineffective. Derec, you should have read the bios of the 15 candidates who ran for mayor last fall in Minneapolis. My favorite is still the Communist who thought Laura Ingals Wilder was God.

Harmless nutters are always a hoot.
 
I love crazy councilcritters. They are ineffective. Derec, you should have read the bios of the 15 candidates who ran for mayor last fall in Minneapolis. My favorite is still the Communist who thought Laura Ingals Wilder was God.

Sounds cool. What was crazy about him?
 
Ms. Sawant is elected, which means she must represent the views of a sufficient number of her constituents. Even if one thinks her ideas are way out, her presence means that the inevitable compromises in politics may shift more towards her views. Until her constituents vote her out, one can reasonably conclude that is what they want.

Personally, I think a wider range of alternatives is a good thing for a republic. So, I find the derision of such people from erstwhile supporters of democratic forms of governance either revealing or ironic.
 
Ms. Sawant is elected, which means she must represent the views of a sufficient number of her constituents. Even if one thinks her ideas are way out, her presence means that the inevitable compromises in politics may shift more towards her views. Until her constituents vote her out, one can reasonably conclude that is what they want.

Personally, I think a wider range of alternatives is a good thing for a republic. So, I find the derision of such people from erstwhile supporters of democratic forms of governance either revealing or ironic.


I agree.

The appearance of a socialist on the city council of a major American city is telling.

People are growing weary of the constant sift right in the political and economic debate in this country. People are hurting and patting them on the head and telling them how their problems stem from govt or immigrants or welfare mothers isn't cutting it when these people can see their problems start with bills that are too long and a paycheck that is too short.
 
She's the force behind Seattle's $15 minimum wage hike.
That hasn't passed yet, has it? A bad idea - that's almost twice the national minimum wage and would make Seattle businesses less competitive. Besides, unskilled labor doesn't warrant $15/hour in any case. We had that discussion on the old board already - if your McEmployees must earn at least $15/hour there is incentive to add automation to your fast food joint and reduce your staffing needs. Bottom line - lost jobs.
And she is going after the ban on rent control too.
Why should rents be controlled? You end up with little incentive to build sufficient housing in the city and there is basic unfairness between controlled apartments and uncontrolled ones - some get to enjoy ridiculously cheap apartments while others have to pay market price.
 
Ms. Sawant is elected, which means she must represent the views of a sufficient number of her constituents.
She barely won her race. 50.67% of the vote. So, sure, she represents the views of many Seatte-ites but it's hardly a broad mandate for Soviet style "reforms" that are nearly a century out of date.

Even if one thinks her ideas are way out, her presence means that the inevitable compromises in politics may shift more towards her views. Until her constituents vote her out, one can reasonably conclude that is what they want.
Who knows what they were thinking. Maybe they were miffed Portland gets all the attention because of the IFC show so they wanted to bring in some more crazy. Maybe they didn't like the incumbent. Maybe it was a really low turnout election. I just hope for the sake of Seattle that her views are not shared by even a slim majority of its citizens.

So, I find the derision of such people from erstwhile supporters of democratic forms of governance either revealing or ironic.
Tea Party has managed to democratically elect a lot of nuts as well. I do not see you or others refraining from derision of them just because they were democratically elected. Democratic elections are not a shield against criticism.

People are growing weary of the constant sift right in the political and economic debate in this country. People are hurting and patting them on the head and telling them how their problems stem from govt or immigrants or welfare mothers isn't cutting it when these people can see their problems start with bills that are too long and a paycheck that is too short.
And how would socialist policies help that?
 
People are hurting and patting them on the head and telling them how their problems stem from govt or immigrants or welfare mothers isn't cutting it when these people can see their problems start with bills that are too long and a paycheck that is too short.

It's worse than that. They're being told they're in their situation because they're lazy moochers.
 
LD, may I?

She barely won her race. 50.67% of the vote.
which would sufficient to win which is what LD said.
So, sure, she represents the views of many Seatte-ites but it's hardly a broad mandate for Soviet style "reforms" that are nearly a century out of date.
you do know she is on record as opposing and critiquing the govt of the former soviet union? Of course you don't.

Even if one thinks her ideas are way out, her presence means that the inevitable compromises in politics may shift more towards her views. Until her constituents vote her out, one can reasonably conclude that is what they want.
Who knows what they were thinking. Maybe they were miffed Portland gets all the attention because of the IFC show. Maybe they didn't like the incumbent. Maybe it was a really low turnout election. I just hope for the sake of Seattle that her views are not shared by even a slim majority of its citizens.
yeah because the last thing anyone would want is an outbreak of democracy in the US.
So, I find the derision of such people from erstwhile supporters of democratic forms of governance either revealing or ironic.
Tea Party has managed to democratically elect a lot of nuts as well. I do not see you or others refraining from derision of them just because they were democratically elected. Democratic elections are not a shield against criticism.
then offer a critique and turn the flame down.
People are growing weary of the constant shift right in the political and economic debate in this country. People are hurting and patting them on the head and telling them how their problems stem from govt or immigrants or welfare mothers isn't cutting it when these people can see their problems start with bills that are too long and a paycheck that is too short.
And how would socialist policies help that?

increase take home pay
Increase public revenues and resources in order to provide more public services to citizenry
And fight back against an ideology that preaches that being a jerk is really a legitimate political/social/economic/curtural stance and not a cover for people who are social and emotional misfits incapable of liking or being liked by anyone and have therefore decided to hate as many people as possible..
 
Tea Party has managed to democratically elect a lot of nuts as well. I do not see you or others refraining from derision of them just because they were democratically elected. Democratic elections are not a shield against criticism.
As AA pointed out, there is difference between derision and criticism. More telling, there is also a difference between a local city council person who helps to influence policy for a specific city and a person elected to the federal gov't who is influencing national policy. Finally, this elected official is a woman of color, and I cannot help wondering if that is an influence on the lowbrow ad homs in your kneejerk "criticisms".

This council woman now has to deal with inevitable compromises involved in running local gov't. If she is effective, she may be able to influence city policies more to her views (and her constituents). If not, she will not. Certainly, that is the nature of government. IMO, good government requires that all voices are considered. Government policies are better received if constituents feel their views were represented than if they were not.
 
Harmless nutters are always a hoot.
As long as they stay harmless. This one seems to have fans nationwide for some reason.

Well, if she's a *real* socialist I think we can safely say her theories will never be tried!1!11.
FDIC worked very well in keeping bank runs from occurring in '08. Minimum wage seems to have worked out well. Axing Social Security is akin to political suicide. Not only have socialistic ideals and programs been enacted, they seem to have worked and are rather popular.
 
That hasn't passed yet, has it? A bad idea - that's almost twice the national minimum wage and would make Seattle businesses less competitive. Besides, unskilled labor doesn't warrant $15/hour in any case. We had that discussion on the old board already - if your McEmployees must earn at least $15/hour there is incentive to add automation to your fast food joint and reduce your staffing needs. Bottom line - lost jobs.

Maybe you don't know this, but in places like Minneapolis the Minimum Wage is effectively $15/hour, and we are economically robust. Your lost jobs claim hold not water.
 
which would sufficient to win which is what LD said.
So what? Nobody said she got the seat in a cereal box.

you do know she is on record as opposing and critiquing the govt of the former soviet union? Of course you don't.
According to the wikipedia entry you posted, she is in favor of expropriating luxurious homes and turning them into public housing. Soviet Union followed that same policy, as dramatized in the movie "Dr. Zhivago".
She also favors "nationalizing" companies like Boeing.
What aspect of Soviet Union did she criticize exactly? Because one can certainly criticize certain actions of a government while applauding others.
yeah because the last thing anyone would want is an outbreak of democracy in the US.
My point was that if they voted for her for reasons other than agreeing with her far out positions there is hope they will vote her out next time around. Which should be next year due to reorganization of the Council.

then offer a critique and turn the flame down.
As if criticism of tea party members was a low flame affair. :rolleyes: Not they most didn't deserve it though.


increase take home pay
Increase public revenues and resources in order to provide more public services to citizenry
And fight back against an ideology that preaches that being a jerk is really a legitimate political/social/economic/curtural stance and not a cover for people who are social and emotional misfits incapable of liking or being liked by anyone and have therefore decided to hate as many people as possible..
What does any of that have to do with state ownership of the means of production which is the cornerstone of socialism?
But in detail, "increase take home pay" and "increase public revenues" are antithetical goals.
Also "fight back against people being jerks" is neither a cogent policy position nor in any recognizable way linked to socialism. For example, Stalin was a major league jerk. :)
 
Maybe you don't know this, but in places like Minneapolis the Minimum Wage is effectively $15/hour, and we are economically robust. Your lost jobs claim hold not water.
What do you mean "effectively"?
According to this there is a push to increase Minnesota min. wage to $9.50. And that is about the state, not the city, the article does mention Minneapolis without saying anything about a higher city min. wage. So where did you get your figure from?

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FDIC worked very well in keeping bank runs from occurring in '08. Minimum wage seems to have worked out well. Axing Social Security is akin to political suicide. Not only have socialistic ideals and programs been enacted, they seem to have worked and are rather popular.
Social programs != socialism.
 
As AA pointed out, there is difference between derision and criticism.
And as I have pointed out, you have nothing against derision of people on the other side of the spectrum. I on the other hand that radicals on both sides are deserving of derision.
More telling, there is also a difference between a local city council person who helps to influence policy for a specific city and a person elected to the federal gov't who is influencing national policy.
Sure, and we would not even be talking her if she wasn't attracting some nationwide fans.
Finally, this elected official is a woman of color, and I cannot help wondering if that is an influence on the lowbrow ad homs in your kneejerk "criticisms".
When in doubt, play the race card.
This council woman now has to deal with inevitable compromises involved in running local gov't. If she is effective, she may be able to influence city policies more to her views (and her constituents). If not, she will not. Certainly, that is the nature of government. IMO, good government requires that all voices are considered. Government policies are better received if constituents feel their views were represented than if they were not.
Nothing in what you wrote refutes the fact that she is a radical with kooky ideas that in part hearken to Soviet expropriation policies of almost a century ago. Do I think she will proclaim the Council Republic of Seattle soon? Of course not, but that doesn't mean she isn't an extremist either.
 
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