Is that COP OUT 20?

[Loren Pechtel]

You're basically admitting my evaluation of your position is right--you're listing big natural things as ok.

And you're not even addressing the fact that your approach leads to a certain decline to collapse.

When those big natural things are supplanted with big man made waste piles, they do collapse. So does man made infrastructure and even societies, Mr. Osmandius!
We would not be the first human society to wipe itself out with its environmental blindness. Why do you elect to keep pressing on toward a most uncomfortable collapse?

That's not a rebuttal.