Is this an accurate picture of settlement in the West Bank?

[repoman]

http://imemc.org/article/71526/

This looks like the hyphae of a fungus or a termite infestation.

Thinking a two state solution can happen is delusional at this point.

 

[funinspace]

I'd say the map is generally accurate. Israel has been systematically carving up, and generally destroying any possibility for some sort of 2 state solution for 30-40 years now. I wish I could find a timeline map that I've seen where you can see the tangled web that has been weaved over the decades in the West Bank. Barrier walls separate Palestinian communities, segregated and walled roadways just for Israelis, et.al. They are systematically implementing apartheid.

A chart of the numbers involved:


Israel seems to be working on it's own version of a Dosadi Experiment

 

[whichphilosophy]

http://imemc.org/article/71526/

This looks like the hyphae of a fungus or a termite infestation.

Thinking a two state solution can happen is delusional at this point.

I assume this is correct based on earlier maps I saw. Essentially it is designed to make the place ungovernable by the Palestinians. Israel never intended to stop settlements.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

http://imemc.org/article/71526/

This looks like the hyphae of a fungus or a termite infestation.

Thinking a two state solution can happen is delusional at this point.

Keyword: Restricted. Not prohibited.

And most of that is about security--stopping terrorism.

 

[Arctish]

Keyword: Restricted. Not prohibited.

And most of that is about security--stopping terrorism.

Restricted to Jews only is not the same as prohibited, but it has the same result as far as Muslim and Christian Palestinians are concerned.

 

[Axulus]

http://imemc.org/article/71526/

This looks like the hyphae of a fungus or a termite infestation.

Thinking a two state solution can happen is delusional at this point.

Keyword: Restricted. Not prohibited.

And most of that is about security--stopping terrorism.

How does building lots of residences in Palestinian territory help stop terrorism?

 

[Bronzeage]

http://imemc.org/article/71526/

This looks like the hyphae of a fungus or a termite infestation.

Thinking a two state solution can happen is delusional at this point.

Keyword: Restricted. Not prohibited.

And most of that is about security--stopping terrorism.

Mr. Palestinian, why are you a terrorist?

The Israeli's stole our land and won't let us live there.

But they did that to stop you from being a terrorist.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Can't they find something to condemn the Israelis for other than building "settlements"?

U.N. and U.S. policy should change as follows:

No resolutions condemning "settlements" by anyone. Revoke all those resolutions.

Recognize equally ALL settlements by Israelis or Palestinians and condemn any destruction or prohibition of settlements or forceful eviction of settled residents.

Recognize equally ALL existing commerce/trade, and promote trade relations with any producers regardless of their identity, and condemn any limits on trade.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Is this an accurate picture of settlement in the West Bank?

Well not really as it shows a map of who knows where in some backwash of some unimportant country where the peoples refuse to get along. On the West Bank, people live in relative harmony whether a university student or a resident of Little Mogadishu. The neighborhood has long been an immigrant one starting with the people fleeing communism after World War II.

Some fun facts: In early seasons of the Mary Tyler Moore show, Mary lived in Riverside Plaza designed by Ralph Rapson. Palmer's was named one of the best bars in America in 2014 by Esquire.

Here is a map.

 

[funinspace]

Keyword: Restricted. Not prohibited.

And most of that is about security--stopping terrorism.

How does building lots of residences in Palestinian territory help stop terrorism?

Those aren't settlements/buildings for residences, they are observation outposts. The outposts are only there for the safety concerns about Palestinians getting hurt from the violence...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Keyword: Restricted. Not prohibited.

And most of that is about security--stopping terrorism.

Restricted to Jews only is not the same as prohibited, but it has the same result as far as Muslim and Christian Palestinians are concerned.

Most of that isn't restricted to Jews. Most of it involves checkpoints.

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Keyword: Restricted. Not prohibited.

And most of that is about security--stopping terrorism.

Mr. Palestinian, why are you a terrorist?

The Israeli's stole our land and won't let us live there.

But they did that to stop you from being a terrorist.

Explain the situation in 1948-1967.

No "occupied territories". Plenty of attacks.

 

[LordKiran]

Restricted to Jews only is not the same as prohibited, but it has the same result as far as Muslim and Christian Palestinians are concerned.

Most of that isn't restricted to Jews. Most of it involves checkpoints.

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Keyword: Restricted. Not prohibited.

And most of that is about security--stopping terrorism.

Mr. Palestinian, why are you a terrorist?

The Israeli's stole our land and won't let us live there.

But they did that to stop you from being a terrorist.

Explain the situation in 1948-1967.

No "occupied territories". Plenty of attacks.

They were presumably incited to violence by a dangerous demagogue who decried palestine's invasion by a foreign and invasive culture and that they could make their land great again by removing them. /s

 

[crispy]

Restricted to Jews only is not the same as prohibited, but it has the same result as far as Muslim and Christian Palestinians are concerned.

Most of that isn't restricted to Jews. Most of it involves checkpoints.

And you don't see any problem for the palestinians who have to pass though checkpoints everywhere, in what is not even Israeli territory? What are the settlers doing there in the first place?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Most of that isn't restricted to Jews. Most of it involves checkpoints.

And you don't see any problem for the palestinians who have to pass though checkpoints everywhere, in what is not even Israeli territory? What are the settlers doing there in the first place?

Israel tries to ease up on the checkpoints (after all, all that effort costs money)--until the next round of attacks.

 

[Arctish]

And you don't see any problem for the palestinians who have to pass though checkpoints everywhere, in what is not even Israeli territory? What are the settlers doing there in the first place?

Israel tries to ease up on the checkpoints (after all, all that effort costs money)--until the next round of attacks.

Tries to ease up how, exactly? Please provide sources for your claim.

If Israel's notion of easing up to save money is to close down roads entirely for much of the day, or the week, or the month, then that reinforces the point about parts of Palestine being difficult to access/inaccessible for Palestinians.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Explain the situation in 1948-1967.

No "occupied territories". Plenty of attacks.

Yes, plenty of attacks. Just not by Palestinians.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Explain the situation in 1948-1967.

No "occupied territories". Plenty of attacks.

Yes, plenty of attacks. Just not by Palestinians.

By Arabs, nationality unspecified.

 

[Jayjay]

Yes, plenty of attacks. Just not by Palestinians.

By Arabs, nationality unspecified.

Israel has secured peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan since then, and created a buffer-zone with Syria. It's rather relevant what the nationalities of the attackers between 1948 and 1967 were, if you want to use that as "proof" that the attacks would resume. If the attackers were Egyptian and (non-West Bank) Jordanians, they likely wouldn't. And the sporadic but inconsequential attacks from Syria would not be worse unless Israel withdraws from Golan, which it won't do anyway.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

By Arabs, nationality unspecified.

Israel has secured peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan since then, and created a buffer-zone with Syria. It's rather relevant what the nationalities of the attackers between 1948 and 1967 were, if you want to use that as "proof" that the attacks would resume. If the attackers were Egyptian and (non-West Bank) Jordanians, they likely wouldn't. And the sporadic but inconsequential attacks from Syria would not be worse unless Israel withdraws from Golan, which it won't do anyway.

You're utterly missing the point here.

The fact that there were attacks then says that the Arabs want war with Israel regardless of the "occupied territories". Going back to the 67 borders would go back to the status before the 67 war--which was a pattern of repeated raids from Israel's neighbors.

As Israel became capable of taking out their bases in the neighboring countries the tactics switched from small unit attacks to terrorism but it's still the same war.

 

[Jayjay]

Israel has secured peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan since then, and created a buffer-zone with Syria. It's rather relevant what the nationalities of the attackers between 1948 and 1967 were, if you want to use that as "proof" that the attacks would resume. If the attackers were Egyptian and (non-West Bank) Jordanians, they likely wouldn't. And the sporadic but inconsequential attacks from Syria would not be worse unless Israel withdraws from Golan, which it won't do anyway.

You're utterly missing the point here.

The fact that there were attacks then says that the Arabs want war with Israel regardless of the "occupied territories". Going back to the 67 borders would go back to the status before the 67 war--which was a pattern of repeated raids from Israel's neighbors.

As Israel became capable of taking out their bases in the neighboring countries the tactics switched from small unit attacks to terrorism but it's still the same war.

No, you are the one missing the point. The status quo has changed considerably: in 1967 there was no peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan, and Middle-East politics were overall different. Syria has become a pariah state, Egypt is bribed by the U.S. to behave, Jordan has cut off Palestine and is no longer looking to annex territory, Israel has nukes, and so on.

There is no coherent group called "Arabs" that would revert back 50 years if Israel were to pull out of West Bank, and Israel is already facing terrorist attacks so it can't really get any worse.