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Israeli Palestinian sentenced to 5 months in prison for writing a poem
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And that's not a call for violence??
untermensche
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Oppression brings violence onto itself.
To oppress and condemn violence is a joke.
Oppression is violence.
To oppress and condemn violence is a joke.
Oppression is violence.
Derec
Contributor
Israeli Arabs have far more freedoms than Arabs in Arab states.
But because they are Israelis, "peaceful solution" must be resisted until the Holy Land is judenrein.
Axulus
Veteran Member
Not directly, no. It was a political poem. Resistence and rejection of a peace offer can be non-violent. Nowhere did I see anything from the article's description of the poem that directly called for violence or killing. Did you? If so, please share it.
Derec
Contributor
How do you resist the "peaceful solution" without violence? Also, she wrote about kicking Jews out of "Palestine".
untermensche
Contributor
Israel has been oppressing millions of Palestinians for decades.
Bombing and kidnapping and torturing Palestinians for decades.
Denying them the right to travel in their lands. Dividing Palestinian lands.
Denying them an airport or port on their coastline.
Stealing land from them and in the process throwing people off their lands and out of their homes.
Stifling their economy.
Attacking them over and over.
And with all this violence, this non-stop violence, it is pure hypocrisy to claim to be against violence.
Axulus
Veteran Member
Both can true that they have more freedoms and yet this draconian crackdown on writing political poem can be authoritarian and antithetical to freedom of speech.
Axulus
Veteran Member
It's words. Political words. Not a call to grab the nearest weapon and start slaughtering anyone.
laughing dog
Contributor
Once you understand the odious mindset that all Palestinians are either terrorists or incipient terrorists or abettors of terrorists, these kneejerk farts of objection make sense.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Free speech only matters when it's about Nazis having free speech.
Arctish
Centimillionaire
Here, the poet Tariq al Haydar translates Tatour’s words into English:
"Resist, My People, Resist Them
Resist, my people, resist them.
In Jerusalem, I dressed my wounds and breathed my sorrows
And carried the soul in my palm
For an Arab Palestine.
I will not succumb to the “peaceful solution,”
Never lower my flags
Until I evict them from my land.
I cast them aside for a coming time.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist the settler’s robbery
And follow the caravan of martyrs.
Shred the disgraceful constitution
Which imposed degradation and humiliation
And deterred us from restoring justice.
They burned blameless children;
As for Hadil, they sniped her in public,
Killed her in broad daylight.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist the colonialist’s onslaught.
Pay no mind to his agents among us
Who chain us with the peaceful illusion.
Do not fear doubtful tongues;
The truth in your heart is stronger,
As long as you resist in a land
That has lived through raids and victory.
So Ali called from his grave:
Resist, my rebellious people.
Write me as prose on the agarwood;
My remains have you as a response.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist, my people, resist them."
The sources I'm finding say she wrote her poem in response to the death of Hadeel al-Hashlamon under disputed circumstances at an Israeli checkpoint, the murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, a 16 year old boy who was kidnapped, beaten, and burned to death by three Israeli settlers in Jerusalem in 2014, and the death of 18-month-old Ali Dawabsheh, who was burned alive along with his parents when Zionist settlers set their house on fire while they were sleeping.
BTW, Tatour uses a different definition of martyr than the one our resident pro-Israel posters use:
I don't know if her definition is widely accepted among the Arabic speaking population although I suspect it is based on how the term is used by Palestinian representatives. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than calling a baby a member of Hamas.
Anyway, I thought Zionists wanted the Palestinians to use Gandhi-like tactics. So why the fuss over a call to resist Occupation, displacement, and disenfranchisement? That's the first chapter in the Gandhi Tactics Playbook isn't it?
"Resist, My People, Resist Them
Resist, my people, resist them.
In Jerusalem, I dressed my wounds and breathed my sorrows
And carried the soul in my palm
For an Arab Palestine.
I will not succumb to the “peaceful solution,”
Never lower my flags
Until I evict them from my land.
I cast them aside for a coming time.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist the settler’s robbery
And follow the caravan of martyrs.
Shred the disgraceful constitution
Which imposed degradation and humiliation
And deterred us from restoring justice.
They burned blameless children;
As for Hadil, they sniped her in public,
Killed her in broad daylight.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist the colonialist’s onslaught.
Pay no mind to his agents among us
Who chain us with the peaceful illusion.
Do not fear doubtful tongues;
The truth in your heart is stronger,
As long as you resist in a land
That has lived through raids and victory.
So Ali called from his grave:
Resist, my rebellious people.
Write me as prose on the agarwood;
My remains have you as a response.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist, my people, resist them."
The sources I'm finding say she wrote her poem in response to the death of Hadeel al-Hashlamon under disputed circumstances at an Israeli checkpoint, the murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, a 16 year old boy who was kidnapped, beaten, and burned to death by three Israeli settlers in Jerusalem in 2014, and the death of 18-month-old Ali Dawabsheh, who was burned alive along with his parents when Zionist settlers set their house on fire while they were sleeping.
BTW, Tatour uses a different definition of martyr than the one our resident pro-Israel posters use:
Middle East Eye said:
I don't know if her definition is widely accepted among the Arabic speaking population although I suspect it is based on how the term is used by Palestinian representatives. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than calling a baby a member of Hamas.
Anyway, I thought Zionists wanted the Palestinians to use Gandhi-like tactics. So why the fuss over a call to resist Occupation, displacement, and disenfranchisement? That's the first chapter in the Gandhi Tactics Playbook isn't it?
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laughing dog
Contributor
At least her home and the home of her family hasn't been bulldozed yet.
"Resist" = violence. It's a call for violence.
And the vast majority of those attacks are aimed at civilians. "Martyrs" are generally guilty of war crimes and should not be treated as heroes.
zorq
Veteran Member
I guess Martin Luther King Jr. and Ghandi never used that word to describe what they were doing then. You are so blinded by your bias you literally have to redefine words to justify the abuses of the authorities you worship.
Axulus
Veteran Member
Have you never heard of nonviolent resistance? It has a long history.
Here is a wikipedia article for you explaining it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
Derec
Contributor
Obviously not. These Palestinian extremists are pretty much Nazis.
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Have you not read the line where she rejects the peaceful solution?
Or where she wants to "evict" Jews from Israel?
Derec
Contributor
So she is glorifying an attacker in the Knife Intifada. At that time there were many attacks by Palestinians against Israeli checkpoints, just like the one involving Hadeel.
Did Gandhi stab British soldiers? Also Palestinian extremists like her want to take over Israel. Imagine if Gandhi's mission was to conquer England for India.
Context!
In Palestinian-speak, "resist" and "resistance" refer to killing Israelis, especially non-combatant Israelis.
Besides, she is explicitly rejecting non-violence. That only leaves violence.