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John B. Geer had hands up when shot by police, four officers say in documents

 
 
 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c2c0da-a7f6-11e4-a06b-9df2002b86a0_story.html

John B. Geer stood with his hands on top of the storm door of his Springfield, Va., townhouse and calmly said to four Fairfax County police officers with guns pointed at him: “I don’t want anybody to get shot . . . . And I don’t wanna get shot, ’cause I don’t want to die today.”

But as one officer tried to ease Geer through the standoff, another officer, Adam D. Torres, shot and killed Geer from 17 feet away, telling investigators that he saw Geer move his hands to his waist and thought he might be reaching for a weapon, according to newly released documents from the county.

The other three officers, and a lieutenant watching from a distance, said they saw no such thing, the documents show.
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As far as I can tell Officer Torres is still on the job.
 
How many times do you need to be told... officers never abuse the use of force. And even if officers say that another officer did, they must have had a large bush obscure their view.
 
Why are you second-guessing this police officer? Whenever a police officer feels threatened, it is okay if he blows the perp away. Now, if the police officer is a woman, well, that is a different story.
 
No race angle on this one ksen?

Sounds like a Hispanic cop just felt like shooting a white guy.
 
I haven't been mentioning race for awhile now because even though I believe out of control police does effect minorities more this is still a problem for all of us and mentioning race causes too much of a derail from certain posters who'd rather talk about how the minority deserved getting killed instead of talking about how out of control our police officers are getting.
 
Any libs mention race in their posts in the thread?
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But Torres said he thought Geer could have had another weapon hidden at his waist. “It was not accidental,” Torres told investigators. “No, it was justified. I have no doubt about that at all. I don’t feel sorry for shooting the guy at all.”
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Egad! This is the problem! These things are happening and the officers don't particularly seem to care if the person is dead at their hand, whether a danger or not.
 
ksen said:
I haven't been mentioning race for awhile now because even though I believe out of control police does effect minorities more this is still a problem for all of us and mentioning race causes too much of a derail from certain posters who'd rather talk about how the minority deserved getting killed instead of talking about how out of control our police officers are getting.
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Such derails are usually caused by the OP itself with invalid insinuations that the victim's race and thus the officer's presumed racism were the central causal factors in the shooting. Such claims are themselves a separate issue and a derail from the more general issue of police militarization, which means police of all races acting like soldiers and treating people of all races like they are the enemy.

Police militarization isn't about racism, but about the fact that there is currently a historic high in the flooding of police departments with military vets, who are at all time highs in terms of the numbers of them looking for employment. You other thread about the FB posts by a cop claiming being a soldier in Iraq and being a cop are the same thing illustrates the problem and his view is widely held by the military itself, job placement agencies (including Monster.com), and police departments that give vets special affirmative-action style treatment, hiring them despite low exam scores and attracting them with special benefits.

The problem is not merely that vets are trained to kill before the enemy has a chance to be a threat, but other things like many vets are freaking morons who did nothing in Iraq but blindly follow orders on who and when to shoot and are not capable of making threat assessments and optimal least violent response decisions on their own. When cops get into a real firefight is about the only time that the vets have any relevant skills that are useful to good police work. Otherwise, most of their training and skills are the near opposite of what good police work requires.
 
ronburgundy said:
ksen said:
I haven't been mentioning race for awhile now because even though I believe out of control police does effect minorities more this is still a problem for all of us and mentioning race causes too much of a derail from certain posters who'd rather talk about how the minority deserved getting killed instead of talking about how out of control our police officers are getting.
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Such derails are usually caused by the OP itself with invalid insinuations that the victim's race and thus the officer's presumed racism were the central causal factors in the shooting. Such claims are themselves a separate issue and a derail from the more general issue of police militarization, which means police of all races acting like soldiers and treating people of all races like they are the enemy.
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How much is this the media's doing? We have a had two or three threads regarding white victims and there is very little press on them at all.
 
dismal said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
If the Department looks into the killing, finds it unjust and deals with it, that'd be the Due Process.
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What if they find it just? That's not due process and Holder needs to get involved? Like Ferguson?
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Absolutely. Of course, if it is like Ferguson, they will find no violation of civil rights.
 
update:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...b73460-3630-11e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html

A former Fairfax County police officer was charged with second-degree murder Monday, nearly two years after he shot and killed an unarmed Springfield man who stood with his hands raised in the doorway of his home.

The indictment of Adam D. Torres in the killing of 46-year-old John Geer, who had a holstered gun at his feet when he was shot, marks the first time in the 75-year history of the Fairfax County Police Department that an officer has faced criminal prosecution in connection with an on-duty shooting.
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Well, that's good. The police need to get it into their thick skulls that it is not OK to be shooting white people.

You go to jail for that sort of thing. :mad:
 
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