Justice warrior faceplant

[whichphilosophy]

"Free Speech" does not mean there can't be time, place, and manner restrictions on speaking. If, for example, you try to grab the mike uninvited at a University commencement and deliver a speech you will likely end up in jail.

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"Free Speech" does not mean there can't be time, place, and manner restrictions on speaking. If, for example, you try to grab the mike uninvited at a University commencement and deliver a speech you will likely end up in jail.

This may answer your point.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/free-speech-freedom-expression-human-right

No.

On the last point it could be something for another thread. The article was quite reasonable but there are always case by case examples to consider. Clearly inciting hatred would not qualify in that it endangers others.

 

[blastula]

On the last point it could be something for another thread. The article was quite reasonable but there are always case by case examples to consider. Clearly inciting hatred would not qualify in that it endangers others.

What are saying? Do you mean the protestors were inciting hatred?

And did you miss the part in your link that says, "Public officials should tolerate more criticism than private individuals?"

 

[fast]

Ironically, you cited an article that addresses your question. Did you bother to read the article you cited beyond the above paragraph?

Luis Miranda, 29, a protester who graduated from a master’s program at Notre Dame, said the students who walked out objected to Mr. Pence’s role in the Trump administration as well as his record as an Indiana congressman and governor, when he opposed admitting Syrian refugees and rights for unauthorized immigrants and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Further explanation of why some students chose to leave

In a statement posted online last week, the organizers invoked Catholic social teaching and the example of Pope Francis, known for his ecumenical spirit and common touch, to explain their opposition to Mr. Pence and his politics.

“Pope Francis has bestowed upon the world a call to support Syrian refugees, to acknowledge and respect the humanity of sexual minorities, and to bring down all walls that separate us,” the statement said.

Again, like student Luis Miranda stated this had nothing to do with directing who should be allowed to speak generally.

“Of course we welcome and support free speech on campus,” Mr. Miranda said. “But commencement is not a moment for academic exchange or political dialogue. It’s a celebration of all of our hard work.”

The butt-hurt I see is from those whining that the VP wasn't treated like a fragile snowflake. This event wasn't significant news to me. The only reason I am commenting on it or now even know very much about it, is due to whining from those supporting authoritarian practices and people that can't handle people not acting like sheep towards their heros.

It seems to suggest this was an anti-free speech walk out, or rather free speech as determined by the ultra-left. This is somewhat reminiscent of the mentality of the Cultural Revolution where years later most of its participants matured during time.

When you are the VP, it goes from being "Free Speech" and becomes being "Policy position". Gov. Pence attempted to codify religiously allowed intolerance and discrimination. That bill was to allow people to discriminate against people, restricting other people's rights, as long as the discriminator said 'God wanted them to'.

Not to derail, but rather to get a glimpse of understanding this, I ask for an example. It's so easy to confuse the truth when it's presented whopsidedly. For instance, it's one thing to say, "I'm not going to serve you because you're black or I'm not going to bake your cake because you're homosexual. That's unjustifiable discrimination. However, the excuse that they're members of society and therefore can demand merchants' suppression of decency is another thing entirely.

It shouldn't be allowed that I can deny service to the sick-minded, yet we should be allowed to discriminate otherwise. For instance, if I think it's wrong to create a design on custom towels depicting black men hanging from a noose, my choice to discriminate on the grounds of my version of decency isn't discrimination of skinheads, as I'd gladly sell to them if what they request doesn't violate my very own sense of decency.

We discriminate all the time and choose not to do things we believe are grossly indecent. It's okay to discrimate (sometimes), and I think that's lost on many.

When you say what you say, I can only imagine the unspoken twist.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It seems to suggest this was an anti-free speech walk out, or rather free speech as determined by the ultra-left. This is somewhat reminiscent of the mentality of the Cultural Revolution where years later most of its participants matured during time.

Again, your comments are bullshit.

What you are demanding is mandatory attendance. That is not "free speech".

You don't get it, do you? You must not oppose the indoctrination by the right! The right is right!

 

[barbos]

Mike Pence, swingers and social justice warriors, Weird thread.

 

[blastula]

True story: a few years back I was at a graduation for a family member and the speaker was the head of Planned Parenthood. Putting aside the fact everyone in this thread would find it patently offensive that such a controversial person whose opinion would be so offensive to some was invited at all, a large topic of her speech was how important it was to protest and how she had unfurled a banner at her own graduation protesting something or other. At the time I thought it there were any karma in the world someone in the balcony would get up at that moment and raise a ruckus while unfurling a banner advocating 2nd amendment rights or somesuch. But, it didn't happen.

Also true, anti-abortion protestors protested Obama's commencement speech at Notre Dame in 2009. Some boycotted, some held demonstrations, and some yelled at him during his speech.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

True story: a few years back I was at a graduation for a family member and the speaker was the head of Planned Parenthood. Putting aside the fact everyone in this thread would find it patently offensive that such a controversial person whose opinion would be so offensive to some was invited at all, a large topic of her speech was how important it was to protest and how she had unfurled a banner at her own graduation protesting something or other. At the time I thought it there were any karma in the world someone in the balcony would get up at that moment and raise a ruckus while unfurling a banner advocating 2nd amendment rights or somesuch. But, it didn't happen.

Also true, anti-abortion protestors protested Obama's commencement speech at Notre Dame in 2009. Some boycotted, some held demonstrations, and some yelled at him during his speech.

Yeah, but that was that Black guy so it is okay.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Again, your comments are bullshit.

What you are demanding is mandatory attendance. That is not "free speech".

You don't get it, do you? You must not oppose the indoctrination by the right! The right is right!

As I keep saying they are entitled to come stay or leave and have a right to protest. We can disagree as to the mentality of those who staged the walk out.

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On the last point it could be something for another thread. The article was quite reasonable but there are always case by case examples to consider. Clearly inciting hatred would not qualify in that it endangers others.

What are saying? Do you mean the protestors were inciting hatred?

And did you miss the part in your link that says, "Public officials should tolerate more criticism than private individuals?"

No
Yes public officials should

 

[blastula]

On the last point it could be something for another thread. The article was quite reasonable but there are always case by case examples to consider. Clearly inciting hatred would not qualify in that it endangers others.

What are saying? Do you mean the protestors were inciting hatred?

And did you miss the part in your link that says, "Public officials should tolerate more criticism than private individuals?"

No

Then what was your point?

Yes public officials should

Then why are you complaining about these protesters?

 

[untermensche]

....We can disagree as to the mentality of those who staged the walk out....

The last refuge.

Made up stories about their "mentality".

Made up stories about unknown people.

 

[Lion IRC]

...its still useful to keep in mind that calls for "tolerance" don't really mean that "tolerance" in itself has inherently positive value. Such is the pitfall of moralistic platitudes.

Well said!

...iDon't fall for the oldest con in the bigot's handbook.

I hate bigots. I simply can't tolerate them. Particularly folks who hate religion.

...There are countless things that no decent person should be "tolerant" of,

Or to put it another way, there are countless things which decent people can be intolerant of.

...iand that includes views and policies that are intolerant of basic human and civil rights.

Yeah, like free speech and freedom of association and freedom of religion and democracy...

 

[whichphilosophy]

....We can disagree as to the mentality of those who staged the walk out....

The last refuge.

Made up stories about their "mentality".

Made up stories about unknown people.

I mentioned disagree about the mentality,,,,

 

[repoman]

Why not use a real example of loony lefties?