Kent Hovind: Broccoli man

[Underseer]

Kent Hovind is trying to compete with Ray Comfort's infamous banana argument. How do you think he did?

 

[phands]

Hovind, like all his ilk, is a fuckwit.

Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again. Hovind has been proven wrong time and time again.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Hovind, like all his ilk, is a fuckwit.

Evolution is a fact.

Yep.

The theory was proven right time and time again.

Not really.

It's a very well-supported theory, but nothing in science is ever proven.
There's always at least a chance that new observations will falsify any theory.

Hovind has been proven wrong time and time again.

and that's another yepper boy howdy.

 

[Copernicus]

It's a very well-supported theory, but nothing in science is ever proven.
There's always at least a chance that new observations will falsify any theory.

It is a truism that nothing in science is ever "proven", but the problem is what one means by "proven" in a given context. There is such a thing as a "scientific proof". That is not the same thing as a "logical proof". What scientists attempt to prove are hypotheses, and they use observation and experimentation to evaluate those hypotheses. When the overwhelming preponderance of evidence favors one theory over competing theories, then that theory is considered "proven" in the context of science. There are few scientific theories that meet scientific standards of proof better than the theory of evolution. It may turn out that some better theory comes along in the future that replaces the general theory of evolution, but scientific proofs are only about the hypotheses and theories that are subject to proof at a given point in time. Saying that "nothing is ever proven" in science is a concession to doubters that is entirely pedantic and unnecessary.

 

[Lion IRC]

Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.

So who won the $250,000 ?

 

[phands]

Yep. Not really.

It's a very well-supported theory, but nothing in science is ever proven.
There's always at least a chance that new observations will falsify any theory.

Hovind has been proven wrong time and time again.

and that's another yepper boy howdy.

I think we're in violent agreement! I should have been more precise in my choice of words. Evolution has been seen in action many, many times, and has been shown to be a good (indeed, only, outside of creationist Woooo) explanation for observed phenomena. At no time has evolution been shown to NOT be a good explanation.

 

[phands]

Creationist Kent Hovind Now Says Celery is Proof That Evolution is False

Having failed with his Broccoli brain-fart. the moron has moved on to.....Celery!

It was just a couple of weeks ago when Creationist Kent Hovind argued that the existence of broccoli disproved evolution because it was too complicated to have evolved without God’s help. (It was the same argument Ray Comfort once made about bananas — and equally ignorant.)


Looks like Hovind is just going through the alphabet now, because on his livestream last night, he argued that celery was also a proverbial checkmate to atheists.


Celery.

http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/...-that-evolution-is-false/#kv4YPGHGOy7aYYWB.99

 

[Underseer]

Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.

So who won the $250,000 ?

So something is only true in science if someone wins $250,000?

I don't think you understand how science works. You should consider going back to elementary school.

 

[phands]

Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.

So who won the $250,000 ?

So something is only true in science if someone wins $250,000?

I don't think you understand how science works. You should consider going back to elementary school.

Another stupid indirection attempt by LIRC. There never was a $250k prize...it was a pathetic attempt by Kunt Hovind to detract from Evolution in favour of his creationist garbage. In the end, Hovind's $250k, and a further $180400 were "won" by the IRS, as that was the amount that he was ordered to forfeit when he went to jail for tax crimes. Hovind is yet another true xtian criminal.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.

So who won the $250,000 ?

It was never won because it was never a serious offer, the money was never verified, and there was never a fair contest. Nevertheless, so much more has funded evolutionary research in the form of grants, and funds have been poured into biomedical research, which has garnered hard-won rewards in the form of antibiotics, vaccines, and other medical treatments that makes modern life possible. Few of which would exist without the theory, because evolution is the bedrock that makes modern medicine possible. Period. When it is ignored by creationists, as has sometimes been done, it is at everyone's peril. As in the famous case of baby Fae.

When asked why he had picked a baboon over a primate more closely related to humans in evolution, Bailey replied, "I don't believe in evolution."

 

[Lion IRC]

Evolution is a fact. The theory was proven right time and time again.

So who won the $250,000 ?

So something is only true in science if someone wins $250,000?

I don't think you understand how science works. You should consider going back to elementary school.

Yeah, I always thought it was weird how those Nobel Foundation folks in Sweden give millions of dollars in prize money for scientific achievement.

Kent Hovind. Alfred Nobel.
Why, the names side by side just roll off the tongue.

Anyway, it's a bummer nobody was able to prove evolution is true and claim the cash.

 

[Juma]

So something is only true in science if someone wins $250,000?

I don't think you understand how science works. You should consider going back to elementary school.

Yeah, I always thought it was weird how those Nobel Foundation folks in Sweden give millions of dollars in prize money for scientific achievement.

Kent Hovind. Alfred Nobel.
Why, the names side by side just roll off the tongue.

Anyway, it's a bummer nobody was able to prove evolution is true and claim the cash.

Eh. The evolution is proved to be true and the cash was claimed.
The bummer was Hovind that didnt pay.

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So something is only true in science if someone wins $250,000?

I don't think you understand how science works. You should consider going back to elementary school.

Yeah, I always thought it was weird how those Nobel Foundation folks in Sweden give millions of dollars in prize money for scientific achievement.

Yes, it is the achievement that is premiered. Not the fact.

 

[Lion IRC]

If evolution was proved to be true, surely the "premier" prize was there for the taking.
Empirical evidence is so totally indisputable. Right?

 

[Juma]

If evolution was proved to be true, surely the prize was there for the taking.
Empirical evidence is so totally indisputable. Right?

Indisputal evidens, yes: Evidens of Christians lying for christ...

 

[Lion IRC]

LOL
Don't you mean evidence that nobody was up to the challenge?

 

[Juma]

LOL
Don't you mean evidence that nobody was up to the challenge?

That is your comeback? Yeez...
No, i did not. Now go and play with your imaginary friend.

 

[Lion IRC]

LOL

 

[The AntiChris]

Saying that "nothing is ever proven" in science is a concession to doubters that is entirely pedantic and unnecessary.

I don't see it as a 'concession'. I see it as a strength.

 

[Keith&Co.]

LOL
Don't you mean evidence that nobody was up to the challenge?

That is your comeback? Yeez...
No, i did not. Now go and play with your imaginary friend.

No, he's right. NO one was up to the challenge, and that's how Hovind designed it. It's a challenge that's impossible to meet, to allow him to pretend to a position of superiority in the debate, not to find the truth.

Some of the elements of the challenge require proving things that are NOT part of the theory of evolution. Plus unscientific statements, like having to prove that certain theories were THE ONLY POSSIBLE way things happened. That's not what science claims about evolution.

And even if it were possible, he maintained complete control over the judges who would be used to determine that the challenge had been met. If such a group existed, there was no way to validate their credentials or their ability o understand the the material they were judging. And, no way to be sure that whatever they said was what that lying idiot Hovind actually reported.

It was always a con.

But it was a con that at least offered the conclusion Lion prefers, so of course he would need no further details.

 

[Lion IRC]

Wait.
If Kent Hovind was putting up a challenge for people to prove something about evolution which Hovind thinks ISNT true, and the people he is challenging say...
"yes it's unproven but that's not a part of evolution"
...then aren't they conceding Hovind's point?