Killings by Utah police outpacing gang, drug, child-abuse homicides

[ksen]

Killings by Utah police outpacing gang, drug, child-abuse homicides

In the past five years, more Utahns have been killed by police than by gang members.

Or drug dealers. Or from child abuse.

And so far this year, deadly force by police has claimed more lives — 13, including a Saturday shooting in South Jordan — than has violence between spouses and dating partners.

As the tally of fatal police shootings rises, law enforcement watchdogs say it is time to treat deadly force as a potentially serious public safety problem.

I agree that the use of deadly force is becoming a public safety problem.

 

[DBT]

law enforcement watchdogs say it is time to treat deadly force as a potentially serious public safety problem.

It appears long overdue for Utah to review Police training methods and improving risk assessment in the field. Look at non lethal options before gun use.

 

[RavenSky]

I'd be curious to see how other states compare

 

[TV and credit cards]

I think during an investigation where deadly force was used, the benefit of the doubt must go to to cop. I also believe body cameras with an auto-on function will go a long way with the asshole cop who takes the 'what can I legally get away with' approach. I do not think having a racially balanced police force is the answer. Asshole is color-blind.

Recently in my city, an out of control schitzophrenic woman was slammed to the ground by police and she died. More recently a twelve year old with a BB gun was killed by a cop.

 

[ksen]

I think during an investigation where deadly force was used, the benefit of the doubt must go to to cop.

why?

 

[TV and credit cards]

I think during an investigation where deadly force was used, the benefit of the doubt must go to to cop.

why?

Because second guessing himself may mean his life or the life of others. Often times these may be split second decisions. Even with what is going on now, I wonder how these incidences may affect their decision-making.

 

[ksen]

why?

Because second guessing himself may mean his life or the life of others. Often times these may be split second decisions. Even with what is going on now, I wonder how these incidences may affect their decision-making.

And maybe so much benefit giving is empowering the cops to go right to deadly force since they know there's a lottery winning chance that they'll ever have to face repercussions.

A modern society should not tolerate the police killing so many its citizens. Especially in an era of dropping incidences of violent crime.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/003799-crime-down-urban-cores-and-suburbs

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

why?

Because second guessing himself may mean his life or the life of others. Often times these may be split second decisions. Even with what is going on now, I wonder how these incidences may affect their decision-making.

And because we generally have a presumption of innocent until proven guilty. No reason why that shouldn't include police officers when accused.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think during an investigation where deadly force was used, the benefit of the doubt must go to to cop. I also believe body cameras with an auto-on function will go a long way with the asshole cop who takes the 'what can I legally get away with' approach. I do not think having a racially balanced police force is the answer. Asshole is color-blind.

Recently in my city, an out of control schitzophrenic woman was slammed to the ground by police and she died. More recently a twelve year old with a BB gun was killed by a cop.

Not an auto-on, always-on. Keep the data for 30 days or if a request is received for it. It doesn't take a formal request by a lawyer and there's no proof required--a simple request gets it copied to long term storage and permits a formal determination of whether it should be released. (There will be things on the tapes that should not be released--for example, the first cop on the scene at a rape.)

 

[TV and credit cards]

Because second guessing himself may mean his life or the life of others. Often times these may be split second decisions. Even with what is going on now, I wonder how these incidences may affect their decision-making.

And maybe so much benefit giving is empowering the cops to go right to deadly force since they know there's a lottery winning chance that they'll ever have to face repercussions.

I agree. This is the reason for my comment in my first post about cameras and the asshole cop. No one likes their wrong-doings recorded.

Perhaps they need to revamp their psychological testing of recruits if possible or the scoring of it. I assume they take some version of the MMPI.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I think during an investigation where deadly force was used, the benefit of the doubt must go to to cop. I also believe body cameras with an auto-on function will go a long way with the asshole cop who takes the 'what can I legally get away with' approach. I do not think having a racially balanced police force is the answer. Asshole is color-blind.

Recently in my city, an out of control schitzophrenic woman was slammed to the ground by police and she died. More recently a twelve year old with a BB gun was killed by a cop.

Not an auto-on, always-on. Keep the data for 30 days or if a request is received for it. It doesn't take a formal request by a lawyer and there's no proof required--a simple request gets it copied to long term storage and permits a formal determination of whether it should be released. (There will be things on the tapes that should not be released--for example, the first cop on the scene at a rape.)

Sounds good. Didn't we beat this horse already?

 

[laughing dog]

Because second guessing himself may mean his life or the life of others. Often times these may be split second decisions. Even with what is going on now, I wonder how these incidences may affect their decision-making.

And because we generally have a presumption of innocent until proven guilty. No reason why that shouldn't include police officers when accused.

That presumption is during a criminal trial. There is no presumption of innocence in an investigation or a criminal charge or in a decision whether the officer should be allowed back on the streets.