LA fires

[barbos]

So what? You can always find someone who accurately predicts something to happen ONCE in their lives. I'm more interested if they offered up meaningful practical solution prior to the incident.

I have one. US needs a "merit-based" revolution where people who manage the country on all level know shit instead of being good at BSing.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Merital is an antidepressant drug. You might want to say 'merit-based.' This whole country will need some Merital in 5 days.

 

[Patooka]

Merital is an antidepressant drug. You might want to say 'merit-based.' This whole country will need some Merital guillotines in 5 days.

FIFY

 

[barbos]

This whole country will need some Merital in 5 days

It's not like you were doing great before.

 

[barbos]

Merital is an antidepressant drug

It's part of the problem too.

 

[barbos]

I heard that a lot of houses were not insured, becasue insurance companies cancelled insurances and left after California government had not allowed rate increase.

 

[ZiprHead]

So what? You can always find someone who accurately predicts something to happen ONCE in their lives. I'm more interested if they offered up meaningful practical solution prior to the incident.

I have one. US needs a "merit-based" revolution where people who manage the country on all level know shit instead of being good at BSing.

Look who's telling us what a country needs.

 

[Derec]

Building with brick is expensive. My guess is many of those rich people's homes had a lot of brickwork in their construction. It didn't save them.

Some houses survived.

Drive through the wealthy areas of your own city. You will see a lot of brick construction.

You see a lot of brick siding, but that's not the same as construction.

 

[Derec]

And has already mentioned several times: heat from the intensity of these fires will break glass windows and get inside even the brickiest of brick homes----and will cause severe structural damage to the point where the house will have to be torn down.

And I have mentioned this before: this assumes an inferno outside the house. Which is true enough in a regular wildfire situation: a rural community surrounded by the burning forest. In that case, nothing will save the house.
But in a suburban setting, having most of the houses made with non-flammable structures will reduce the overall fuel available to the fire. If the houses next to you are not fully engulfed, the scenario you mention is less likely to happen.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Do people in Russia live in stone houses? I don't think they do, most can't afford it.

In Russia i's bricks and concrete. Mine is bricks.

Houses catch fire because it is natural to do so

Not if it's brick/concrete.

You want a brick house in Los Angeles? I sure don't! We've seen your stuff fall down because someone whispered "earthquake".

You can make a reinforced concrete house that will stand up to a quake, but it's a lot more expensive.

What happened in Los Angeles is wind-driven embers rather than the fire front you are picturing.

 

[barbos]

You want a brick house in Los Angeles?

Damn, you're slow.

 

[Patooka]

Do people in Russia live in stone houses? I don't think they do, most can't afford it.

In Russia i's bricks and concrete. Mine is bricks.

Houses catch fire because it is natural to do so

Not if it's brick/concrete.

You want a brick house in Los Angeles? I sure don't! We've seen your stuff fall down because someone whispered "earthquake".

You can make a reinforced concrete house that will stand up to a quake, but it's a lot more expensive.

What happened in Los Angeles is wind-driven embers rather than the fire front you are picturing.

I wouldn't be so quick to discount barbos knowledge and expertise. Everybody knows the only thing Siberia is famous for is its oppressive heat and rampant seasonal fires.

 

[barbos]

Do people in Russia live in stone houses? I don't think they do, most can't afford it.

In Russia i's bricks and concrete. Mine is bricks.

Houses catch fire because it is natural to do so

Not if it's brick/concrete.

You want a brick house in Los Angeles? I sure don't! We've seen your stuff fall down because someone whispered "earthquake".

You can make a reinforced concrete house that will stand up to a quake, but it's a lot more expensive.

What happened in Los Angeles is wind-driven embers rather than the fire front you are picturing.

I wouldn't be so quick to discount barbos knowledge and expertise. Everybody knows the only thing Siberia is famous for is its oppressive heat and rampant seasonal fires.

Actually, forest fires is the problem in Siberia. And Siberia is a large place, there are dry places there too.

Cheapest area of the Palisades, it burned out completely. Old houses very typical of other old suburbs in US, houses are very close to each other, with roofs made of fuel.
America is a free country, you can't order people to rebuild old houses to better fireproofing. Now everything turned into dust

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[Patooka]

Good job completely missing the point, so I'll spell it out for you. Your thoughts on bushfires in the context of this thread are as useless as my definition of cold weather.

 

[barbos]

Here is drone view of the same area - all dust:

 

[barbos]

Good job completely missing the point, so I'll spell it out for you. Your thoughts on bushfires in the context of this thread are as useless as my definition of cold weather.

No, I did not miss anything. Bush fires have nothing to do with the fact that houses were catching fire in chain reaction in LA.
And yes, houses can be built in such a way that prevents chain reaction.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Good job completely missing the point, so I'll spell it out for you. Your thoughts on bushfires in the context of this thread are as useless as my definition of cold weather.

No, I did not miss anything. Bush fires have nothing to do with the fact that houses were catching fire in chain reaction in LA.
And yes, houses can be built in such a way that prevents chain reaction.

So fires had nothing to do with houses burning? Amazing!

 

[barbos]

Good job completely missing the point, so I'll spell it out for you. Your thoughts on bushfires in the context of this thread are as useless as my definition of cold weather.

No, I did not miss anything. Bush fires have nothing to do with the fact that houses were catching fire in chain reaction in LA.
And yes, houses can be built in such a way that prevents chain reaction.

So fires had nothing to do with houses burning? Amazing!

Yes, they are not responsible for chain reaction which is a result of insufficient prevention of such a scenario by the people.
Fires and winds are natural phenomena and happens all the time.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Good job completely missing the point, so I'll spell it out for you. Your thoughts on bushfires in the context of this thread are as useless as my definition of cold weather.

No, I did not miss anything. Bush fires have nothing to do with the fact that houses were catching fire in chain reaction in LA.
And yes, houses can be built in such a way that prevents chain reaction.

But it isn't a chain reaction. That requires places next to each other to cause each other to burn. The problem is embers traveling over a mile in 80+ kph winds and starting fires in different spaces. Then the fires fill in the gaps left behind.

Can homes be better fireproofed, yes to a point. The trouble is the climate over the last 18 months created a recipe for a massive fire. Yes, it burns out there, but it generally doesn't burn this bad based on how this hadn't happened to this extent before. Houses are built to a code of reasonably expected risk. Climate change is modifying those risks, hence certain codes of old aren't as up to date with what the reasonably expected risks are now.

 

[barbos]

But it isn't a chain reaction. That requires places next to each other to cause each other to burn. The problem is embers traveling over a mile in 80+ kph winds and starting fires in different spaces.

Then it's way worse if ember can burn the house.
In reality it's both but mostly chain reaction. Ember should not be a problem - just order every homeowner to look out for it and use a shovel if necessary. Roofs are implied to be completely ember proof