Largest Christian music festival founder busted with 18-year prison sentence after molesting five children

[atrib]

1 - the set of Scotsmen (lots of types)
2 - the set of people who are not part of set #1

An atheist is not a "true Christian" for the same reason #1 cannot be a subset of #2

phands doesn't get this basic logic. So he keeps on sticking his head in the sand pretending that filthy scum pedophile atheist masquerading as a pastor is a True Pastor

How do you know that that this Pastor wasn't a Christian? And that he was an atheist? You don't, you are just making up shit. What does the Bible say about making up shit?

You can believe in Bronze Age stories about magical gods and still be a child molester. You can believe in Bronze Age stories about magical gods and still be a habitual shit-maker-upper. I see Christians do things that their Bible forbids all the time. You don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, you just have to accept the zombie god-clone JC as your personal savior. You can do all sorts of bad shit, including molesting little children, and still get into Heaven to suck on aforementioned JC's cock for all eternity if you do that.

 

[Lion IRC]

You're late to the thread and have obviously just assumed I must have said stuff that I didn't.
You don't seem to have read my post #28
So you're the one bearing false witness.

Here's a few statements all of which I think are true.

Some people claim they are Christians while secretly molesting children.
Some publically claim molesting children is wrong but do it in private.
Some people think God punishes child molesters. Some don't think there is a God.
Some people don't regard child abuse as a sin. They even think you can harm defenceless children while they are in the womb.

Being a Christian doesn't mean you never sin. It means you can't be in two different places at the same time. The tree is known by its fruit.

"I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other! So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth!"

See more about the tree and its fruit in Matthew 12:33-37 / Luke 6:43-45

 

[Tom Sawyer]

And that just displays the inherent fallacy in your position. When you say that "Some people claim they are Christians while secretly molesting children", it's taking the position that those who do that were never really Christians in the first place. That's false. Christians steal, Christians murder, Christians jaywalk, Christians rape children and Christians illegally download movies. None of those actions stop them from being Christians.

It's not that some people claim they are Christians while secretly molesting children, it's that some people are Christians while secretly molesting children.

 

[Lion IRC]

Can I be a theist and an atheist at the same time? No.
Can I be someone who simultaneously says it's both moral and immoral to do a particular thing?

I take it your position is that you can just label people and call them whatever YOU want to call them. And that they can call themselves whatever they want.

Sheesh! And bible skeptics get all bent out of shape because the bible calls bats "birds".
#post-modernism #logocentricity

 

[atrib]

You're late to the thread and have obviously just assumed I must have said stuff that I didn't.
You don't seem to have read my post #28
So you're the one bearing false witness.

Here's a few statements all of which I think are true.

Some people claim they are Christians while secretly molesting children.
Some publically claim molesting children is wrong but do it in private.
Some people think God punishes child molesters. Some don't think there is a God.
Some people don't regard child abuse as a sin. They even think you can harm defenceless children while they are in the womb.

Being a Christian doesn't mean you never sin. It means you can't be in two different places at the same time. The tree is known by its fruit.

"I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other! So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth!"

See more about the tree and its fruit in Matthew 12:33-37 / Luke 6:43-45

You didn't explain why you think the pastor wasn't a Christian, or why you think he is an atheist. But then again, you almost never do, i.e. support the nonsense you spout when you get called on it.

The basic premise of Christianity is that humans are sinners who will be punished for eternity unless they accept the zombie god-clone JC as their savior. Our sinful nature is the disease, and Christianity is the cure, or so Christianity would like you to believe. That is the whole fucking point! The psychopathic Christian god demanded and received a human sacrifice so he bring himself to forgive all the supposedly fucked-up humans he had created. The Pastor could be doing bad things because he knows he has a get out of jail free card; all he has to do to atone for his actions is to get on his knees and accept said JC as his lord and savior, and all is well. So your incessant claims that anyone who does bad things, as this pastor apparently did, could not possibly be a Christian flies in the face of established Christian dogma. Apparently you don't know shit about Christianity, or you are just making up shit as usual.

 

[phands]

He is, as you say, just making shit up, as usual. And logic is clearly a remedial topic.