Leaving woke culture and God

[DrZoidberg]

Haha! Who's going to cancel me? The mob? Oh No!

but seriously....I don't know alot about Farrakhan but I know he was a polarizing figure. I am a Jew and I know he spoke against Israel. I have myself. Bibi is a dik.

Farrakhan praised Hitler because of the attempt to eradicate the Jews. Surely you don't have enough self-loathing to not condemn Farrakhan for preaching such shit. But then the right condemns him for it and maybe you just can't bring yourself to agree with anything the right says.

Well, the real problem is that the "right", by and large, does not denounce him, despite the fact that he's obviously deeply conservative himself (staunchly capitalist, believes men should head households, deeply anti-LGBT [to the point of claiming that the Jews are behind the existence of black gay men), strongly distrustful of government interference [mostly because he sees it as controlled by white people...which, I mean...], strongly religious [granted, a goofball black nationalist religion, but still]), but rather use him as a bludgeon against black Americans.

Meanwhile, the generation of people who used to use the word "woke" to mean aware of anti-black racism are generally unconcerned with him, and many believe that he died years ago.

It's not much, but he is a useful example to show the complete misunderstanding that white conservatives and centrists have over the very meaning of the term woke", who used it before it became a sneer term for republicans to scare and rally voters, and so forth.

Why would the right condemn anybody on their side?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Haha! Who's going to cancel me? The mob? Oh No!

but seriously....I don't know alot about Farrakhan but I know he was a polarizing figure. I am a Jew and I know he spoke against Israel. I have myself. Bibi is a dik.

Google Farrakhan, anti-Semitism for particulars.

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/nation-of-islam-farrakhan-in-his-own-words

Farrakhan is an idiot who peddles hate. Rank anti-semitism

The phrase "blood sucking Jew", I believe has been uttered by him. I think 9/11 shut him up for a while. Is he making a comeback?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

JohnG, FYI I notice how you conflate everyone on the right as alt right. They're not.

They voted en masse for Trump in 2020. They proved, in general, they'd rather have a fascist elected than a Democrat.

 

[Mumbles]

Haha! Who's going to cancel me? The mob? Oh No!

but seriously....I don't know alot about Farrakhan but I know he was a polarizing figure. I am a Jew and I know he spoke against Israel. I have myself. Bibi is a dik.

Google Farrakhan, anti-Semitism for particulars.

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/nation-of-islam-farrakhan-in-his-own-words

Farrakhan is an idiot who peddles hate. Rank anti-semitism

He's just a run-of-the-mill fascist. The only reason anybody takes him seriously in polite society is because he's black. It's racism of low expectations.

The fact that he's not vocally condemned by the left on par with Trump or Hitler is because the woke left is racist as fuck. They can't deal with black people who refuse being victims and who don't want their sympathy and help.

well, no, the main people who "take him seriously" are people in their 40s and up who recall him as either

1) the bigot who nevertheless reformed criminals and whose organization provided the best substitute for "law enforcement" back when the function of actual police with respect to black people was to oppress them violently, or

2) the bigot who nevertheless was the only national leader willing to deal with younger black men in the 90s as much more than a menace - his willingness to work out truces between potentially violent groups, and of course his Million Man March, which was themed entirely about black men pledging to work on self-improvement, commitment to family, and the like.

The "woke", ie. younger black people, don't condemn him because they rarely bother to think about him at all. He's simply not an important figure to them, while, say, Toupee Fiasco was the head of the executive branch of the US government, and used his authority at every possible place to attack nonwhite people, whether individually (see. having Colin Kaepernick blackballed), institutionally (see. blocking attempts at police reform, or rhetorically (openly advocating racial violence and segregation).

In contrast, Farrakhan's actual religious followers number...possibly 10,000, though likely less than that. In other words, he's a fringe figure at this point.

 

[DrZoidberg]

JohnG, FYI I notice how you conflate everyone on the right as alt right. They're not.

They voted en masse for Trump in 2020. They proved, in general, they'd rather have a fascist elected than a Democrat.

Did they? They chose (for them) the least bad of two bad options. They correctly gambled on that Trump wouldn't be able to derail American democracy, (although he gave his best shot).

I think you're being a bit harsh against Republicans. The Republicans is also the party the counter culture hippies vote for. So they can't only be pure evil.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

JohnG, FYI I notice how you conflate everyone on the right as alt right. They're not.

They voted en masse for Trump in 2020. They proved, in general, they'd rather have a fascist elected than a Democrat.

Did they? They chose (for them) the least bad of two bad options. They correctly gambled on that Trump wouldn't be able to derail American democracy, (although he gave his best shot).

I think you're being a bit harsh against Republicans. The Republicans is also the party the counter culture hippies vote for. So they can't only be pure evil.

Yes, they did. Biden was an old school Democrat that is about as moderate as it gets. They picked the fascist over him.

 

[JohnG]

JohnG, FYI I notice how you conflate everyone on the right as alt right. They're not.

I don't think I made that assertion.

 

[repoman]

I am glad that the Ugandans are not woke

 

[DrZoidberg]

I am glad that the Ugandans are not woke

I love how they somehow don't react to that their pastor is watching gay scat porn in church. Captain closet!

 

[ideologyhunter]

Also, that the preach instinctively reaches for his high holy roller voice on the line, "HE PUTS THE HAND DEEPER!!" Not "DO YOU FEEL JESUS IN YOUR SOUL??!" but "HE PUTS THE HAND DEEPER!!"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I am glad that the Ugandans are not woke

I love how they somehow don't react to that their pastor is watching gay scat porn in church. Captain closet!

I think it is hilarious that repoman cites this, when it was white evangelical radicals that went to Africa and indoctrinated these people with this BS, as part of their crusade against homosexuality.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I am glad that the Ugandans are not woke

I love how they somehow don't react to that their pastor is watching gay scat porn in church. Captain closet!

I think it is hilarious that repoman cites this, when it was white evangelical radicals that went to Africa and indoctrinated these people with this BS, as part of their crusade against homosexuality.

I somehow doubt Africans needed any help being homophobic. It's rarely something people need to be encouraged into.

I think the post-colonial white devil narrative is as tiresome as the white saviour narrative. White people aren't as important as we think we are. Africans are fully capable of fucking up Africa all on their own. Everything bad that happens in Africa isn't the result of white people meddling.

A religion doesn't take root and spread unless there's a receptive audience and culture making mass adoption possible. I know enough Africans to say that Africa has plenty of homegrown attitudes and beliefs that are less than progressive or helpful.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think it is hilarious that repoman cites this, when it was white evangelical radicals that went to Africa and indoctrinated these people with this BS, as part of their crusade against homosexuality.

I somehow doubt Africans needed any help being homophobic. It's rarely something people need to be encouraged into.

After the Evangelicals were done with their work in Africa, a number of nations criminalized homosexuality. They were directly involved in that.

I think the post-colonial white devil narrative is as tiresome as the white saviour narrative. White people aren't as important as we think we are.

Only when it actually turns out to be what happened.

 

[JohnG]

When I was young and naive I used to think racism would go away if we would just ignore it.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

I think it is hilarious that repoman cites this, when it was white evangelical radicals that went to Africa and indoctrinated these people with this BS, as part of their crusade against homosexuality.

I'm not sure what your point is. Some white evangelicals indoctrinated some people. A few others indoctrinated themselves. And then some of those people continued the indoctrination of others, and so on. For that matter, nearly all white evangelicals were also indoctrinated, by their parents, who were also indoctrinated by their parents, and a long etc. But each of the indoctrinators is of course to blame for their choice to indoctrinate.

After the Evangelicals were done with their work in Africa, a number of nations criminalized homosexuality. They were directly involved in that.

They chose to criminalize homosexuality. They could have chosen otherwise, just as those Evangelicals could have chosen not to indoctrinate despite the fact that most of them were also indoctrinated. And so on.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think it is hilarious that repoman cites this, when it was white evangelical radicals that went to Africa and indoctrinated these people with this BS, as part of their crusade against homosexuality.

I'm not sure what your point is.

repoman was mocking blacks for their "inferiority". So the point was, it was a bunch of white people that came up with the idea in the first place.

 

[DrZoidberg]

After the Evangelicals were done with their work in Africa, a number of nations criminalized homosexuality. They were directly involved in that.

Because USA as a nation is obsessed with laws and making sure what ever you'll do in life will involve a lawyer. I'll give you that the American Evangelicals most likely influenced this law created. Not that hyper corrupt Africa gives laws much weight.

But the homophobia? Fat chance. Africa has been preposterously homophobic since forever. That's not a new thing. Which is why it's so funny that Mandela managed to crowbar gay rights into the SA constitution. Much to the consternation of the "upright and moral" black population now in power in South Africa. If they mess with the constitution they're attacking SA most sacred idol. What to do? What to do?

 

[Angra Mainyu]

I think it is hilarious that repoman cites this, when it was white evangelical radicals that went to Africa and indoctrinated these people with this BS, as part of their crusade against homosexuality.

I'm not sure what your point is.

repoman was mocking blacks for their "inferiority". So the point was, it was a bunch of white people that came up with the idea in the first place.

Why do you think repoman was saying blacks were inferior?

His post in this thread can have a wide variety of interpretations; that's among the worst for him. You might be right, but the evidence seems to be very weak.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You are right as long as we ignore several years of his racist posts.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

You are right as long as we ignore several years of his racist posts.

First, I'm not familiar with the details of his posting record. However, I am familiar with the fact that, in this forum, unwarranted accusations of racism are commonplace. In light of that, I'm not going to take your claim as strong evidence. Now it might be true, for all I know. But it might as well not be so.

Second, even if he is a racist, it would be a strange form of mockery. Remember, you first assume that he is making fun of black people and saying that they are inferior, and then you further assume that he's not making sense because white evangelicals who proselytized in Africa came up with it (well, they did not, as they too were indoctrinated, but regardless, let's say because some white person came up with it). So, you are picking not only the interpretation that is among the worst for him in re: race (i.e., that he is mocking black people as inferior), but even an interpretation under which what he is saying does not seem to make any sense. Have you consider the possibility that maybe the reason that it is so hilarious to you that he would use this example is that he did not mean to say what you think he meant to say?