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What company in their right mind would make vaccines when they'll be held liable for everything that happens whether or not the vaccine caused it.

The lawyers really hate the systems that put such claims before medical panels (that understand the reality) rather than juries (that are prone to responding to the emotions.)
 
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He also said the Trump administration wants to lengthen the three-year statue of limitations. “A lot of people don’t discover their injuries until after that,” he said.
There isn't a prolonged exposure to a vaccine. And the harms of a vaccine not being known for years after taking it? How in the heck could you possibly demonstrate the vaccine caused whatever malady down the road?

It is like science without the science. Trump's world of exclamation turn truth via repetition is becoming federalized in the CDC and HHS.
 
article said:
He also said the Trump administration wants to lengthen the three-year statue of limitations. “A lot of people don’t discover their injuries until after that,” he said.
There isn't a prolonged exposure to a vaccine. And the harms of a vaccine not being known for years after taking it? How in the heck could you possibly demonstrate the vaccine caused whatever malady down the road?

It is like science without the science. Trump's world of exclamation turn truth via repetition is becoming federalized in the CDC and HHS.
I wish there was a betting market for ‘Murkin life expectancy, because it’s going to take a nosedive.
 

What company in their right mind would make vaccines when they'll be held liable for everything that happens whether or not the vaccine caused it.

The lawyers really hate the systems that put such claims before medical panels (that understand the reality) rather than juries (that are prone to responding to the emotions.)
'The government is looking at ways to expand the VICP program “so Covid vaccine-injured people can be compensated,” Kennedy said'​

If they expand the program it would presumably reduce jury-tried lawsuits. Am I missing something?

Incidentally, the success rate for vaccine lawsuits is higher in VICP than in civil courts.
 
'The government is looking at ways to expand the VICP program “so Covid vaccine-injured people can be compensated,” Kennedy said'
I wonder what they are doing for people who get diseases like rubella, measles, polio, or whatever, if they weren't vaccinated?
Who can they sue?
Tom
 
'The government is looking at ways to expand the VICP program “so Covid vaccine-injured people can be compensated,” Kennedy said'
I wonder what they are doing for people who get diseases like rubella, measles, polio, or whatever, if they weren't vaccinated?
Which "they"? You mean the government? They're presumably doing the same thing they're doing for people who get any other diseases: ordering somebody to pay for their medical care.

Who can they sue?
Tom
This is America. They can sue anyone they please.
 
They're presumably doing the same thing they're doing for people who get any other diseases: ordering somebody the agencies and insurer who used to pay for their medical care to fold up shop and give the money (aka fraud and waste) to billionaires as a tax break.
FIFY
 
They're presumably doing the same thing they're doing for people who get any other diseases: ordering somebody the agencies and insurer who used to pay for their medical care to fold up shop and give the money (aka fraud and waste) to billionaires as a tax break.
FIFY
I lost you. What insurer or agency who who used to pay for their medical care is being ordered to fold up shop? If people are poor enough for Medicaid the taxpayers are ordered to pay for it. If they have insurance the insurer is ordered to pay. If they don't have insurance but aren't poor enough for Medicaid they're ordered to buy insurance (aka "individual mandate") and an insurer is ordered to sell it (another provisions of Obamacare,) If they're illegal aliens Medicaid won't cover then the emergency room they go to is ordered to pay for it. Who does that leave? Are you talking about foreign aid?
 
What insurer or agency who who used to pay for their medical care is being ordered to fold up shop?
Fucking hyperbole police! 🤣
A trillion cut from Medicare/caid over 10 yrs isn’t exactly folding up shop but might as well be if you need care and they won’t/can’t pay.
 
article said:
He also said the Trump administration wants to lengthen the three-year statue of limitations. “A lot of people don’t discover their injuries until after that,” he said.
There isn't a prolonged exposure to a vaccine. And the harms of a vaccine not being known for years after taking it? How in the heck could you possibly demonstrate the vaccine caused whatever malady down the road?

It is like science without the science. Trump's world of exclamation turn truth via repetition is becoming federalized in the CDC and HHS.
Ostensibly in the same way we linked changes to lead and abortion policies to a drop in crime: from the date of the "event" there will be population differences.

The problem here is that vaccines don't hurt anyone; at best they cause much more mold versions of what happens during a normal infection.

For many infections, this includes heavy neurodegenerative effects for the normal infection which are likely, but not definitively, absent in vaccinated persons; active and historic viral infections correlate to senescence.

The problem here is that humans really SUCK at this question: would you rather have a TINY bit of probably non-existent brain decay evenly across society, or for half of society to get no brain decay at all and the other half to get permanent brain fog?

I know which one I would rather have (a little damage to prevent major damage), but humans by in large are personal mythicists: they buy into the myth that they're gonna be spared all damage and screw anyone else.
 
If they expand the program it would presumably reduce jury-tried lawsuits. Am I missing something?
Yes, the obvious unintended consequences of this change in policy. Do you need it to be explained as to what they most likely will be?
 
If they expand the program it would presumably reduce jury-tried lawsuits. Am I missing something?
Yes, the obvious unintended consequences of this change in policy. Do you need it to be explained as to what they most likely will be?
What they most likely will be, I presume, is "Looks like vaccination is going away". What I need to be explained is the mechanism by which expanding the program will obviously have that consequence.
 
They're presumably doing the same thing they're doing for people who get any other diseases: ordering somebody the agencies and insurer who used to pay for their medical care to fold up shop and give the money (aka fraud and waste) to billionaires as a tax break.
FIFY

What insurer or agency who who used to pay for their medical care is being ordered to fold up shop?
...hyperbole police! 🤣
A trillion cut from Medicare/caid over 10 yrs isn’t exactly folding up shop but might as well be if you need care and they won’t/can’t pay.
Oh, I see, you were just griping about Trump and weren't saying anything about my posts. Got it. So in this gripe of yours, are any payments actually being reduced? Medicaid is $900 billion a year and has been doubling every nine years. If they cut a trillion over 10 years, that will mean in 2035 it will be about $1.8 trillion instead of $1.95 trillion. Not seeing a lot of "they won’t/can’t pay" there, and not seeing any "give the money to billionaires" there at all.
 
not seeing any "give the money to billionaires" there at all.
The budget increases, taxes on poor people effectively go up, taxes on rich people go down, services funding goes down, military snd ICE funding go up…
You’re not seeing anything “there” because it’s fucking everywhere. The push for trumpian oligarchy/dictatorship to supplant the constitutional republic we had, is beyond multifaceted. It’s probably too far down the road to ever recover. We will see poor people become homeless people and middle income people become poor people. The slave trade is already being revived, in anticipation of hundreds of thousands of able bodies being incarcerated to fuel the machine.
But you won’t see it “there”, nor will anyone of significant means unless they get unlucky or too far out of line.
 
According to my doctor I saw recently the issue is not availability. If a vaccine is not recommended by the govt ,insurance may not cover cost.

I think that is same for general treatments.

A vaccine may be recommended for kids below a certain age, people above a certain age, those with underlying conditions but not be recommended for the general population.

My doctor says his peers are bouncing off the walls over the administration.
 
not seeing any "give the money to billionaires" there at all.
The budget increases, taxes on poor people effectively go up, taxes on rich people go down, services funding goes down, military snd ICE funding go up…
You’re not seeing anything “there” because it’s ... everywhere.
Ah, so your posts are not only not about the posts they're replies to, they're not even about the thread topic. And, actually, they're not even about reality. The budget increases, true. It increased more last year than the entire federal income tax burden on the bottom 90% of taxpayers. Service funding is going up, and the increase is being paid for primarily by the rich -- it's mathematically impossible for it not to be. Redistribution from the rich to the poor is increasing, year after year; it's just not increasing as fast as you want it to increase. Calling the difference between how fast it's increasing and how fast you want it to increase "taxes on poor people effectively go up" and "give the money to billionaires" is mentally ill.

The push for trumpian oligarchy/dictatorship to supplant the constitutional republic we had, is beyond multifaceted. It’s probably too far down the road to ever recover. We will see poor people become homeless people and middle income people become poor people. The slave trade is already being revived, in anticipation of hundreds of thousands of able bodies being incarcerated to fuel the machine.
But you won’t see it “there”, nor will anyone of significant means unless they get unlucky or too far out of line.
Yes, yes, Trump is a bad bad man. We all know this. Why are you lecturing me about it? I didn't vote for him. I'm only in this thread because vaccination is allegedly going away and as far as I can see no evidence that it's going away has been presented. Do you have any evidence that vaccination is going away?
 
article said:
He also said the Trump administration wants to lengthen the three-year statue of limitations. “A lot of people don’t discover their injuries until after that,” he said.
There isn't a prolonged exposure to a vaccine. And the harms of a vaccine not being known for years after taking it? How in the heck could you possibly demonstrate the vaccine caused whatever malady down the road?

It is like science without the science. Trump's world of exclamation turn truth via repetition is becoming federalized in the CDC and HHS.
You assume they would have to prove cause/effect? When the country is run by this crew?

“My baby got vaccinated, five years later he’s autistic. Pay up.”
 
Service funding is going up, and the increase is being paid for primarily by the rich
Such BS, according to every source I can find outside of trumpologist lists from the right side of congressional aisles.
Perplexity -
Q: “does funding go up for services under the new budget bill?”

A: Funding for social services does not go up under the new budget bill; in fact, the bill introduces significant cuts to major social programs. Key details include:
• Medicaid and SNAP (food assistance) face steep reductions, with Medicaid alone seeing cuts of nearly $1 trillion over a decade, potentially causing millions to lose health insurance.
• Funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and military spending increases, while resources are shifted away from public services like Medicaid and clean energy initiatives.
• The bill also reduces or phases out tax credits for clean energy and electric vehicles, and imposes new restrictions and paperwork requirements on Medicaid recipients, which is expected to further reduce access to these services.
While some areas, such as immigration enforcement, receive more funding, the overall trend for social services is a decrease in funding and eligibility. The budget reallocates resources away from public health, nutrition, and clean energy programs.

So, which fact above isn’t a fact, and if they are facts, what is the basis for your statement?
 
Service funding is going up, and the increase is being paid for primarily by the rich
Such BS, according to every source I can find outside of trumpologist lists from the right side of congressional aisles.
So does that mean it's BS according to some source you've found that's neutral, unbiased and objective? Or do you mean all your leftist sources agree it's BS?

Perplexity -
Q: “does funding go up for services under the new budget bill?”
Seriously? You're offering, as evidence, the emissions of an Artificial Imbecile that literally did not understand the question and literally does not understand its own output. An "A.I.", at its best, is what you get if the developers graft "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?"'s "Ask the Audience" lifeline onto an Eliza program -- the audience is usually right because 90% don't know the answer and vote randomly, and 10% do know the answer and that's usually enough to break the tie. An "A.I.", at its more typical, is what you get if the developers graft "Ask the Audience" onto an Eliza program but deliberately exclude the portion of the audience who they know disagree with their own views from the training data, and consequently sometimes lose the 10% who know the answer.

A: Funding for social services does not go up under the new budget bill; in fact, the bill introduces significant cuts to major social programs. Key details include:
• Medicaid and SNAP (food assistance) face steep reductions, with Medicaid alone seeing cuts of nearly $1 trillion over a decade, potentially causing millions to lose health insurance.
• Funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and military spending increases, while resources are shifted away from public services like Medicaid and clean energy initiatives.
• The bill also reduces or phases out tax credits for clean energy and electric vehicles, and imposes new restrictions and paperwork requirements on Medicaid recipients, which is expected to further reduce access to these services.
While some areas, such as immigration enforcement, receive more funding, the overall trend for social services is a decrease in funding and eligibility. The budget reallocates resources away from public health, nutrition, and clean energy programs.

So, which fact above isn’t a fact
Like I said before, Medicaid is going up. There's a limit to my patience for doing your research for you so I'm not going to bother with specifics about other social services; and clean energy promotion isn't a social service anyway. I'm confident that total funding for the rest of social services is going up because it's always going up. If you dispute that then you're making an extraordinary claim, so unless you have extraordinary evidence, let's stay focused on Medicaid.

, and if they are facts, what is the basis for your statement?
Sixty-odd years of experience with reality in America; but you knew that, and I think that's not what you're really challenging me to produce. I take it what you want is links to sources I googled after you challenged me that back up what I already knew, yes? Here ya go...


See the table on page 10, "CMS Annually Appropriated Accounts (Dollars in Millions)" and check the "Grants to States (Medicaid)" line.

The 2025 budget was $711,733.765. The administration's budget request for 2026 is $769,212.611. Trump asked Congress to authorize a $57 billion raise for Medicaid next year.

Here's an explanation for why this 8% increase is almost universally being described as a massive cut, from a source I hope you won't dismiss as "trumpologist lists from the right side of congressional aisles." It took some digging, but I finally found a mainstream-media source that told the truth. Kudos to NBC.


Buried in that otherwise typical report, there are the four little words that say the quiet part out loud.

"The bill would impose about $700 billion in cuts to Medicaid relative to current law"​

The "journalists" who call it a massive cut and don't mention the "relative to current law" bit by and large know all about that part. They leave it out either because they're mendacious and mentioning it doesn't serve the spin they want, or, more charitably, because they take for granted that their readers already know the way these discussions go and already understand that "cuts" are always characterized "relative to current law" rather than relative to zero-based-budgeting. I already knew it -- that was "the basis for my statement" that you asked about. Didn't you already know it? The sources Perplexity was trained on surely for the most part already knew it. But Perplexity didn't already know it.
 
Like I said before, Medicaid is going up. There's a limit to my patience for doing your research for you so I'm not going to bother with specifics about other social services;
Sheesh. So all those facts remain undisputed. You don’t have facts and refuse to find them.
Social services are being gutted, you are equivocating and evading.
My own patience has limits as well.
The "journalists" who call it a massive cut and don't mention the "relative to current law" bit
The FACT remains that it is being cut, along with the other items listed. Your … uh … misrepresentation thst “social services have increased funding” remains BS. Even more aggravating because your “analysis” ignores the 10% the dollar has lost vs other currencies already under this term of the Felon.
Cuts relative to current law are CUTS in common parlance, not exclusive to lib-trained AI.
I suppose that in your warp world it would be inappropriate to compare those “increases” with the military and ICE “increases” in that big ugly bill?
Hiding behind the fact that dollar numbers go up every year does little to hide the gutting of government services to pay for tax breaks for billionaires and corporations.
You probably think it’s a coincidence that this is all structured to be forgotten about by the electorate until AFTER the midterms.
 
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