Looting and rioting in Chicago apparently triggered by a police shooting

[laughing dog]

It's what I've been saying--BLM only cares if the person is black, not whether the police acted properly. This is not how you fix problems, this is how you stir up racial hatred.

There are differences of opinion on what should be proper police action. You don't fix problems by demonizing the BLM with kneejerk reactions.

Like it or not, the police as a group, have earned the distrust of a significant portion of the law abiding population. The police have to earn back that trust. Until they do, this will continue. The protestors are a symptom not a cause of the current situation.

 

[repoman]

looter says "I can't breathe" sarcastically

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1292744439010480128

 

[Loren Pechtel]

FYI, there have been riots and looting throughout most of history, and not just in the US. I'm going to link a list of riots that go back to the early 18th Century. I know there were some that happened earlier. The people who rioted were black, white, the police, the Irish, etc. etc. It was always the result of one group of people who believed they were being oppressed or treated unfairly. So, what did anyone expect this time. I pretty much expected that if this movement grew very large, eventually there would be riots and looting. It's what humans do. Sometimes it's effective and sometimes it's not, but I doubt it will ever change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States

For tjat matter, could we call The Boston Tea Party a riot, or was that justified because it was a bunch of white people who did it?

So, please take a peek at the list and you will learn a bit of history. Just click on any of the dates and you will learn what caused the riot or looting. I did a little research a few months ago, when the protests started. I learned a lot. I also remember some riots and looting that happened during the anti war protests during the Viet Nam War. I attended a few peaceful protests in New Jersey, but I remember a few in New York City that resulted in riots. This is nothing new. It's unfortunate, but I doubt it will ever end.

Was the Tulsa race massacre because the white people thought they were being disadvantaged?

 Tulsa race massacre

You think how things were 100 years ago is relevant to how things are today??

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

FYI, there have been riots and looting throughout most of history, and not just in the US. I'm going to link a list of riots that go back to the early 18th Century. I know there were some that happened earlier. The people who rioted were black, white, the police, the Irish, etc. etc. It was always the result of one group of people who believed they were being oppressed or treated unfairly. So, what did anyone expect this time. I pretty much expected that if this movement grew very large, eventually there would be riots and looting. It's what humans do. Sometimes it's effective and sometimes it's not, but I doubt it will ever change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States

For tjat matter, could we call The Boston Tea Party a riot, or was that justified because it was a bunch of white people who did it?

So, please take a peek at the list and you will learn a bit of history. Just click on any of the dates and you will learn what caused the riot or looting. I did a little research a few months ago, when the protests started. I learned a lot. I also remember some riots and looting that happened during the anti war protests during the Viet Nam War. I attended a few peaceful protests in New Jersey, but I remember a few in New York City that resulted in riots. This is nothing new. It's unfortunate, but I doubt it will ever end.

Was the Tulsa race massacre because the white people thought they were being disadvantaged?

 Tulsa race massacre

You think how things were 100 years ago is relevant to how things are today??

Was the Civil Rights Act passed 100 years ago? It seemed the race riots which targeted blacks and economically successful blacks was most certainly aimed to keep ‘dem Negros down for 100 years and more.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's what I've been saying--BLM only cares if the person is black, not whether the police acted properly. This is not how you fix problems, this is how you stir up racial hatred.

The racial hatred is stirred. But this is not happening on the side you are thinking. Or don't you read Derec or Trausti's posts?

Racial hatred has been stirred for several hundred years and from time to time, the pot boils over. Or the mixture explodes.

It may not be right. It may not be 'justifiable' to most people. But it is absolutely predictable.

What incentive do people have when they see others like them ground under the heels of legal authority? What incentive do people have when they see such dramatic differences between what is assumed of them and what is expected for others? We're at the boiling over point. This will not change unless all of society changes.

If they are really being ground under the heels of legal authority they should be protesting cases with merit. Make too much noise about bad cases and why should anyone believe you have a real case?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's what I've been saying--BLM only cares if the person is black, not whether the police acted properly. This is not how you fix problems, this is how you stir up racial hatred.

There are differences of opinion on what should be proper police action. You don't fix problems by demonizing the BLM with kneejerk reactions.

Like it or not, the police as a group, have earned the distrust of a significant portion of the law abiding population. The police have to earn back that trust. Until they do, this will continue. The protestors are a symptom not a cause of the current situation.

It's basically impossible to win the trust of a group that has leaders preaching distrust.

 

[laughing dog]

It's what I've been saying--BLM only cares if the person is black, not whether the police acted properly. This is not how you fix problems, this is how you stir up racial hatred.

There are differences of opinion on what should be proper police action. You don't fix problems by demonizing the BLM with kneejerk reactions.

Like it or not, the police as a group, have earned the distrust of a significant portion of the law abiding population. The police have to earn back that trust. Until they do, this will continue. The protestors are a symptom not a cause of the current situation.

It's basically impossible to win the trust of a group that has leaders preaching distrust.

That is nonsense.

BTW, the you do realize you have described a large segment of the police leadership.

As for the citizenry, that is delusional. There are plenty of people across all ethnicities and race who distrust the police. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with their "leadership".

 

[ZiprHead]

Black people looting...

 

[atrib]

And nothing excuses the deliberate use of bigoted dialog in an OP.

The OP has a history of using bigoted terms when referring to blacks, and habitually "digs up the dirt" on the past misdeeds or actions of blacks who are the victims of police and vigilante violence, often based simply on speculation and uncorroborated stories on the net. At the same time, he always gives the police/persons committing these acts of violence on blacks the benefit of the doubt, portraying them in the most favorable light possible. Racism is alive and well in the US.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's basically impossible to win the trust of a group that has leaders preaching distrust.

That is nonsense.

BTW, the you do realize you have described a large segment of the police leadership.

As for the citizenry, that is delusional. There are plenty of people across all ethnicities and race who distrust the police. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with their "leadership".

I'm talking about BLM--there's no getting through to them because their leaders preach hate. It's the same as getting through to trumpets.

 

[laughing dog]

It's basically impossible to win the trust of a group that has leaders preaching distrust.

That is nonsense.

BTW, the you do realize you have described a large segment of the police leadership.

As for the citizenry, that is delusional. There are plenty of people across all ethnicities and race who distrust the police. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with their "leadership".

I'm talking about BLM--there's no getting through to them because their leaders preach hate. It's the same as getting through to trumpets.

First, you should specify a specific group rather than make a general statement about "a group".

Second, your description of BLM "It's basically impossible to win the trust of a group that has leaders preaching distrust." applies to the police.

The police are employed by the public. It is not up to the public to earn the trust of the police, it is up to the police to earn and retain the trust of the public. Clearly, the police have not sufficiently achieved that goal. Blaming BLM is a cop out in every sense of the word.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm talking about BLM--there's no getting through to them because their leaders preach hate. It's the same as getting through to trumpets.

First, you should specify a specific group rather than make a general statement about "a group".

Second, your description of BLM "It's basically impossible to win the trust of a group that has leaders preaching distrust." applies to the police.

The police are employed by the public. It is not up to the public to earn the trust of the police, it is up to the police to earn and retain the trust of the public. Clearly, the police have not sufficiently achieved that goal. Blaming BLM is a cop out in every sense of the word.

I didn't specify a group because the problem is general. It's basically impossible to get a group to trust anything their leaders tell them not to trust.

 

[laughing dog]

I'm talking about BLM--there's no getting through to them because their leaders preach hate. It's the same as getting through to trumpets.

First, you should specify a specific group rather than make a general statement about "a group".

Second, your description of BLM "It's basically impossible to win the trust of a group that has leaders preaching distrust." applies to the police.

The police are employed by the public. It is not up to the public to earn the trust of the police, it is up to the police to earn and retain the trust of the public. Clearly, the police have not sufficiently achieved that goal. Blaming BLM is a cop out in every sense of the word.

I didn't specify a group because the problem is general. It's basically impossible to get a group to trust anything their leaders tell them not to trust.

Your observation holds for the police as a group as well - their training and leaders tell them not to trust civilians.

I will repeat what you ignored in your reply.
The police are employed by the public. It is not up to the public to earn the trust of the police, it is up to the police to earn and retain the trust of the public. Clearly, the police have not sufficiently achieved that goal. Blaming BLM is a cop out in every sense of the word.

 

[Arctish]

I didn't specify a group because the problem is general. It's basically impossible to get a group to trust anything their leaders tell them not to trust.

Your observation holds for the police as a group as well - their training and leaders tell them not to trust civilians.

I will repeat what you ignored in your reply.
The police are employed by the public. It is not up to the public to earn the trust of the police, it is up to the police to earn and retain the trust of the public. Clearly, the police have not sufficiently achieved that goal. Blaming BLM is a cop out in every sense of the word.

And in this thread we are talking about the Chicago Police Department in particular. How did it lose the trust of the people of Chicago?

Was it during the Two Decades of Torture by Chicago Police?

Was it the decades of routine violation of civil rights of citizens?

Was it because of the hundreds of millions in settlements the City of Chicago has had to pay to victims of gross police misconduct, with no end in sight?

Perhaps it was when people realized the need for federal oversight to reform the CPD.

Maybe it was when the Police Accountability Task Force report was released. Or maybe it goes back to the 1968 Police Riot, or even earlier to when Chicago police shot and killed unarmed demonstrators in 1937.

Or maybe, this being Chicago, the police never had the people's trust to begin with.

 

[ZiprHead]

I had heard several times that there was organized crime involved in some of the looting going on. People arriving in very expensive cars, even Rolls Royces. So I looked it up. Yes, I know it's the Daily Fail but they cite more legitimate news sources and they are corroborated by photographs and videos.

ANOTHER Rolls Royce pulls up during NYC looting: Passengers get out of $350,000 car and steal packages from other thieves during chaos in Manhattan

Video published on social media on Friday showed the Rolls Royce Cullinan
People get out of the $350,000 vehicle and grab swag from the looters
In the early hours of Tuesday a similar Rolls Royce was seen raiding looters
Social media users have reported seeing Bentleys and Mercedes Benzes used

It is not the first time a Rolls Royce has been seen in the midst of looting.

In the early hours of Tuesday an NBC producer, Keith Feldman, filmed men pulling up in luxury cars before they appeared to ransack stores in Manhattan, during a fifth night of protests after the killing of George Floyd.

It is not clear whether it was the same vehicle involved in both incidents.

They were then seen running through the smashed-in door of a store in SoHo - where outlets have been plundered of designer goods in recent days - and emerging with armfuls of products.

The thefts took place despite an 8pm curfew which was in place in Manhattan.

Feldman wrote above his Tweet: 'Looters are literally pulling up in nice cars and cleaning out stores in #Soho. What #Curfew?'

Another user then retweeted his video and said: 'That's a $500,000 Rolls Royce on the right, incredible.'

 

[Derec]

And in this thread we are talking about the Chicago Police Department in particular. How did it lose the trust of the people of Chicago?

SOME people in Chicago. The racist ones. You know, people who think this guy is an innocent victim of police brutality just because he has the right skin color.

Just another "gentle giant". Nothing to see here ...

 

[Derec]

The OP has a history of using bigoted terms when referring to blacks,

Like what?

and habitually "digs up the dirt" on the past misdeeds or actions of blacks who are the victims of police and vigilante violence,

So when a guy is shot by police, is it somehow "racist" to "dig up dirt" that he shot at police before they shot him? Really atrib, that's BS even for you.

often based simply on speculation and uncorroborated stories on the net.

Or you know police finding the gun he shot at police with or that he liked to pose with on social media.
Or you know, finding the video posted by the "victim" shooting wildly into a neighborhood using the same gun that he had on him when he was shot by police (after leading them on a chase).
Or how about from 2014, posting actual security video footage showing that the "gentle giant" who was just "spreading the word of Jesus Christ" was in reality robbing a convenience store.

At the same time, he always gives the police/persons committing these acts of violence on blacks the benefit of the doubt, portraying them in the most favorable light possible.

I'll give police a benefit of the doubt before I give it to the likes of Latrell Allen. Surely, we all should!

Racism is alive and well in the US.

True, but nothing I write is racist. What IS racist, is assuming that police must be in the wrong every time they shoot someone black.

 

[Derec]

Black people looting...

They are about as black as Shaun "Talcum X" King.
But nobody said that it was only black people who are looting. But at the same time, there are also many white #BLM and Antifa members and sympathizers.
To think that just because these people are white that they are somehow not part of what I criticize here is just crass racial essentialism.

 

[Derec]

Was the Civil Rights Act passed 100 years ago? It seemed the race riots which targeted blacks and economically successful blacks was most certainly aimed to keep ‘dem Negros down for 100 years and more.

Can't you read? The 100 year figure was in reference to the Tulsa race massacre.

In any case, how does any of that justify this present day violence in Chicago, Portland, Seattle and elsewhere?

 

[Arctish]

And in this thread we are talking about the Chicago Police Department in particular. How did it lose the trust of the people of Chicago?

SOME people in Chicago.

A strong majority of Chicagoans distrust the police, and the Chicago police have given them ample reason.

The racist ones. You know, people who think this guy is an innocent victim of police brutality just because he has the right skin color.

Chicagoans of all skin tones think people are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. You do too unless the suspect is black. Heck, a black guy doesn't even need to be suspected of anything in particular for you to champion his killing.

Chicagoans of all skin tones think the police should only use deadly force or physical assault likely to cause injury when there is a clear, immediate threat to the lives of themselves and others, not as a routine means of dealing with suspects. That's where you and they differ.