http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22415.pdf
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Majority of polled Republicans want to violate the 1st Amendment
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Majority of Polled Democrats Want to Violate 1st Amendment
YouGov Poll: https://today.yougov.com/news/2014/10/02/america-divided-hate-speech-laws/
well done democrats
YouGov Poll: https://today.yougov.com/news/2014/10/02/america-divided-hate-speech-laws/
well done democrats
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Would it entail consequences beyond having (oh say) a national bird?
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That's fantastic news! Well done indeed! Only 57%! Five years ago 76% of polled Republicans* wanted to violate the 1st Amendment. Sure, 57% is insanely high -- most people simply don't give a damn about other people's rights -- but progress is progress.
(* As did 85% of Democrats.)
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You are aware that there are already limits on free speech. Not that I say I'm supporting a limitation regarding hate speech, however just that there is at least wiggle room regarding such a restriction, where as there is absolutely no wiggle room for the establishment of a national religion in the Constitution.
YouGov Poll: https://today.yougov.com/news/2014/10/02/america-divided-hate-speech-laws/
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You know that's a nearly meaningless poll, don't you? "Advocate genocide or hatred"? Seriously? That's either a pollster taking incompetence to a new level or else a propagandist trying to put his thumb on the scale to get the result he wants. There are undoubtedly a great many people in all three categories who would support a law against advocating genocide but would oppose a law against advocating hatred; there's no telling how such a person will answer when the question is worded that way; and there's no telling how widespread that opinion is among the three groups.YouGov Poll: https://today.yougov.com/news/2014/10/02/america-divided-hate-speech-laws/
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YouGov Poll: https://today.yougov.com/news/2014/10/02/america-divided-hate-speech-laws/
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You know that's a nearly meaningless poll, don't you? "Advocate genocide or hatred"? Seriously? That's either a pollster taking incompetence to a new level or else a propagandist trying to put his thumb on the scale to get the result he wants. There are undoubtedly a great many people in all three categories who would support a law against advocating genocide but would oppose a law against advocating hatred; there's no telling how such a person will answer when the question is worded that way; and there's no telling how widespread that opinion is among the three groups.
In satirizing Ksen's op, it is certainly is as meaningful (or meaningless) as the poll on a national religion - arguably, it is at least more honest and less subjective. The op poll asks if they would support "establishing...as a national religion". "Establishing" is undefined, the process of doing so is left to the persons polled imagination (law? amendment?) and so is "a national religion" (as opposed, say, a state religion).
On the other hand, the question on speech is far clearer. Would you support or oppose A LAW that would MAKE IT A CRIME for people to ADVOCATE, such AS (etc.).
In other words, YouGov did not dodge the issue and asked a far clearer and less ambiguous question.
"Establish a national religion"? Seriously? That's a pollster that is fishing for affirmatives by creating ambiguity.
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Regardless of your spin, that poll you produced and its results are meaningless.
No, the question may have weird, but it wasn't ambiguous.
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So 43% said "no" or weren't sure. I'll take it. That means it will never happen no matter how hard they shit their pants over it.
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In case you don't know, this IS a nation of Christians. Scary isn't it?
It amuses me to consider that of those 57% I expect large portions would not be able to agree on "the religion" that they think it would be appropriate to establish. 
But they wouldn;t realize this until the voting proposal was written. The opposition propoganda writes itself - just insert "Baptist" one day, "Catholic" the next, "LDS" the day after that. The coalition would disintegrate as soon as they realize it's not THEIR cult on the ballot. Which is... exactly what the founders were thinking about.
But they wouldn;t realize this until the voting proposal was written. The opposition propoganda writes itself - just insert "Baptist" one day, "Catholic" the next, "LDS" the day after that. The coalition would disintegrate as soon as they realize it's not THEIR cult on the ballot. Which is... exactly what the founders were thinking about.
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YouGov Poll: https://today.yougov.com/news/2014/10/02/america-divided-hate-speech-laws/
well done democrats
Wow, I am surprised that so many Republicans are cognizant of the fact that the bile that spews from their mouths on a regular basis is actually hate speech.
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I agree, well done democrats. No freedom should be thought of as absolute.
This is little more than outlawing yelling fire in a crowded movie theater when there is no fire.