#metoo hysteria claims yet another victim!

[Juma]

I was always under the impression that very few men actually watch beauty pageants. Do you watch? Why? Isn't it pretty easy to see a lot more skin on other media or in person?

I don't. But this change together with others (bans on sexy advertisements, Formula 1 replacing grid girls with children) is a sign of our society moving in a more prudish direction. And that will affect what one can see "in other media or in person" as well.

You dont realize the difference between feminist and prudish? There are feminist porn and not just for women.

 

[Derec]

This has three-eighths of bugger-all to do with #MeToo

I don't know your arcane Australian weights and measures, but unless bugger-all is quite big, you are very mistaken.

The decline in the revenue raising ability of scantily clad women is entirely due to the huge increase in public availability of pictures and movies of scantily clad women. Miss America, Grid Girls, and all the other mild titillation services provided at the cutting edge of pre-Internet media content rules imposed by puritanical censors, have become irrelevant due to the flood of uncensored images of any kind now freely available to all. #MeToo is not to blame for the decline of Miss America; PornHub is.

I disagree. I think you tried to make the same argument in the F1 grid girl thread. This idea that because of porn the rest of society should be G-rated with no hint of sexiness is quite bizarre to me, since all evidence points to the contrary. Mainstream movies tend to show a lot of skin, as do mainstream music videos. HBO is showing a lot of nudity in their programming. By your logic all these should be going toward being G-rated because Pornhub.
No, this trend toward more prudishness is a worrying one precisely because more porn leads to "pornification of society". If the rest of society now moves more in the G direction, there will be an ever-widening gulf between mainstream and porn and thus it will be easier to restrict or ban porn.

Expensive and low quality moonshine has a market during prohibition; But if you can buy quality liquor for less, why would you expect there still to be a market for a sub-standard product?

I think this analogy works differently. Hardcore porn is like 100 proof liquor. Partial nudity is like beer (not moonshine), HBO-style nudity more like wine or cocktails. If you make beer socially unacceptable there is a gap between abstinence and hard liquor. If you continue to make wine and cocktails socially unacceptable as well, it will affect acceptability of hard liqour as well.

If you want women as individuals, doing stuff that is not related to looking at their barely-concealed sexual characteristics, then you don't care that they are wearing lots of clothes.

It's a false dichotomy. You don't have to view women solely as sexual objects to appreciate and be attracted to partially or totally nude attractive female. That does not mean one is reducing women to their sexuality. It means acknowleding their sexuality.

If swimsuits or bikinis are your fetish, there are plenty of places on the web that will fulfill your desire to see women in swimsuits or bikinis. Or indeed, pretty much any other desire you can imagine (and likely some you can't).

Again, my concern is about the bigger effect on society. Miss America does not exist in a vacuum.

 

[Derec]

You dont realize the difference between feminist and prudish?

A certain kind of feminism for sure.

There are feminist porn and not just for women.

Feminists making feminist porn probably don't get their panties in a bunch about women parading in bikinis though.