More #BLM riots in Wisconsin

[Derec]

You force cops to think that are at war, then they're going to see all citizens as Enemies of the State.

This is not about "all citizens". This is about a young thug who stole a gun, brandished it at a mall, discharged it as police were chasing him and refused to drop it.

But no, continue in your delusions that this is somehow the fault of the police and not solely due to Alvin Cole own's choices in life.

 

[Derec]

We will never know whether Mr. Cole deliberately shot the at the police or not.

It also does not matter. It is beyond dispute that he discharged the firearm in his possession and that he subsequently refused to drop it.
Whether or not he discharged it deliberately may be an interesting academic question, but it is immaterial as to whether the shooting was justified.

Your defense is predicated on unconditionally accepting the uncorroborated story of the police.

Not even the Family Cole shysters are claiming he did not discharge the weapon. That is beyond dispute.

The protesters do not share your trust in the police's truthfulness.

These "protesters" are idiots.

 

[laughing dog]

It also does not matter.

Of course it matters.

It is beyond dispute that he discharged the firearm in his possession and that he subsequently refused to drop it.

No, it is only "beyond dispute" if one accepts the officers' story.

Whether or not he discharged it deliberately may be an interesting academic question, but it is immaterial as to whether the shooting was justified.

That is idiotic. If the shot was accidental and if he did drop his weapon, then the shooting was not justified. The shooting appears justified based on the officers' story. Of course, one would expect their story to be consistent with justification.

These "protesters" are idiots.

Maybe. Then again, maybe their experience with the local police gives them more insight and more skepticism than someone who has no clue what life is like in their area.

 

[Derec]

It is obvious that a significant fraction of the population there is skeptical of the police officer's account.

Because it is so unbelievable that a thug who steals a gun and brandishes it in a mall
The "protesters" are not interested in facts. They automatically take the side of Alvin Cole because firstly he is black, and secondly, they hate the police. Those two things are at the core of all #BLM activism.

Given that Mr. Mensah has 3 shootings in 5 years, I'd say there is reason to be concerned. Maybe Mr. Mensah is unlucky and happens to be at the "wrong" place at the "wrong" time. Maybe Mr. Mensah is trigger happy. If I lived there, I'd want an independent audit of Mr. Mensah's record and actions.

All three shootings have been adjudicated as justified. All the perps he shot were armed - two with firearms, one with a sword.

Given the large number of police officers, it is virtually a statistical certainty that a few of them will be this unlucky without being "trigger happy".

 

[laughing dog]

It is obvious that a significant fraction of the population there is skeptical of the police officer's account.

Because it is so unbelievable that a thug who steals a gun and brandishes it in a mall
The "protesters" are not interested in facts. They automatically take the side of Alvin Cole because firstly he is black, and secondly, they hate the police. Those two things are at the core of all #BLM activism.

The core of your posts is that you automatically take the side of the police.

All three shootings have been adjudicated as justified. All the perps he shot were armed - two with firearms, one with a sword.

Justified by who? Unless it was independently verified by an outside agency, your claim is bootstrapping.

Given the large number of police officers, it is virtually a statistical certainty that a few of them will be this unlucky without being "trigger happy".

And it is a virtual statistical certainty that a few of them will be "trigger happy".

 

[Derec]

Of course it matters.

It doesn't.

No, it is only "beyond dispute" if one accepts the officers' story.

Bullshit. Note that not even the shysters are disputing he fired the gun. They are merely claiming it was "accidental".

that is idiotic.

Why? If police are chasing a perp and he fires a gun, are they supposed to ask him nicely whether he meant to do it?
The anti-police crowd on this forum is getting more and more ridiculous!

Maybe. Then again, maybe their experience with the local police gives them more insight and more skepticism than someone who has no clue what life is like in their area.

Had Cole not stolen the gun and brandished it in the mall none of this would have happened.
"Local police" are bastards who are making "life in their area" hell by not letting teens do innocent things like stealing guns, brandishing them in malls or discharging them while running from police!
Truly, the police are out of control here.

 

[laughing dog]

It doesn't.


Bullshit. Note that not even the shysters are disputing he fired the gun. They are merely claiming it was "accidental".

I realize that your emotions are getting the better of you - the police officers' story includes his refusal to drop his gun.

Why? If police are chasing a perp and he fires a gun, are they supposed to ask him nicely whether he meant to do it?

That is idiotic. Clearly the police, by their own admission, were not sure about his firing at them, since they do not immediately open fire on him.

The anti-police crowd on this forum is getting more and more ridiculous!

Not as ridiculous as the kneejerk police defenders.

Had Cole not stolen the gun and brandished it in the mall none of this would have happened.

True. If the police had not shot him dead, there would have been no protest.

"Local police" are bastards who are making "life in their area" hell by not letting teens do innocent things like stealing guns, brandishing them in malls or discharging them while running from police!
Truly, the police are out of control here.

You are babbling nonsense.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Now, there are some apologists who say that because he grazed his own arm when he shot the gun that he did not "shoot at police" and that the gun went off accidentally. But
1. that does not follow. He could have been shooting deliberately, but because he was running and shooting backwards hit his own arm by accident, and
2. even if he did shoot the gun accidentally, it does not matter. He still fired the shot.
3. Even after he fired the shot, he still would not drop the gun.

We will never know whether Mr. Cole deliberately shot the at the police or not.

It doesn't matter exactly what he did. Since a round was fired he clearly had the gun in hand with his finger on the trigger. Furthermore, the gun was clearly pointed somewhere other than what would happen from simply carrying it as there's no way he could have hit his arm if he was simply holding it.

Thus whether it was a shot at the police or an accidental shot while aiming at something doesn't really matter--either way warrants return fire from the police.

Your defense is predicated on unconditionally accepting the uncorroborated story of the police. The protesters do not share your trust in the police's truthfulness.

No. It only requires looking at the known facts. Your position is predicated on the cops being guilty until proven innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That is idiotic. If the shot was accidental and if he did drop his weapon, then the shooting was not justified. The shooting appears justified based on the officers' story. Of course, one would expect their story to be consistent with justification.

The gun was in hand when he fired it. Whether he then dropped it is irrelevant--the cops would have noted they were taking fire and would have returned fire faster than the reaction time to note a dropped gun.

These "protesters" are idiots.

Maybe. Then again, maybe their experience with the local police gives them more insight and more skepticism than someone who has no clue what life is like in their area.

It doesn't matter what life is like in their area, they're still defending the obviously guilty. However, I think they're basically dupes, same as the trumpets killing themselves by not wearing masks.

 

[Patooka]

You force cops to think that are at war, then they're going to see all citizens as Enemies of the State.

This is not about "all citizens". This is about a young thug who stole a gun, brandished it at a mall, discharged it as police were chasing him and refused to drop it.

But no, continue in your delusions that this is somehow the fault of the police and not solely due to Alvin Cole own's choices in life.

Guess what genius - you train cops to think from the morning they wake up to when they go to bed they are in a warzone, you ensure that they are in a mindset to kill and the distinction between an innocent citizen and a "thug" gets real fucking blurry real fucking quick. And make no mistake that is precisely what Dave Grossman's killology course sets out to do. How the fuck do you not grasp that?

Another load of bullshit. You are really stinking it up in here!
There have been cases where police shootings have been unjustified. But most police shootings are justified. This one isn't even a hard case. The guy had a stolen gun. He shot it. He refused to drop it. Open and shut case.

Let's review what I said:

Considering the only police shootings you consider unjustified are by cops named Mohammed,

And I am completely correct. The only police shooting you have ever criticized ion this forum is the one where Mohammed Noor shot Justine Damond. Every single other example you have bent over backwards to provide unconditional support to the shooter.

 

[Patooka]

(It's the same problem as with doctors and malpractice--a few bad apples rise above the noise but mostly it's a matter of random chance plus their field. Work in a field where bad things happen that can't be proven not to be the doctor's fault and the only question is how many times you're going to be sued. Prime example, obstetrics.)

I look forward to the day authoritarians use the "a few bad apples" metaphor the way it is intended.

 

[laughing dog]

The gun was in hand when he fired it. Whether he then dropped it is irrelevant--the cops would have noted they were taking fire and would have returned fire faster than the reaction time to note a dropped gun.

You don't know what are talking about. From Derec's link that you obviously did not read:

At 6:06 p.m., a gunshot is heard, and the video shows a muzzle flash. Chisholm wrote that all of the evidence supports that Cole shot himself in the arm while running.
Roughly nine seconds later, as officers yelled for Cole to drop the gun, the officers say he pointed it at them. That's when Mensah opened fire.

This hinges on the officer's story that Mr. Cole did not drop his gun but pointed it at them.

It doesn't matter what life is like in their area, they're still defending the obviously guilty. However, I think they're basically dupes, same as the trumpets killing themselves by not wearing masks.

You do not know what you are talking about. If the police have a reputation for lying, then maybe they are not dupes.

 

[Derec]

This hinges on the officer's story that Mr. Cole did not drop his gun but pointed it at them.

And you do not have any reason to doubt the officer's story. Other than your prejudice against the police.

What this case clearly indicates is that for #BLM rioters, as well as for posters like you, it has never been about "unarmed black men" being shot by police.
Y'all will instinctively (Pavlov's poster and Pavlov's protesters) take the side of the black thug even when he is armed.

And Alvin Cole is hardly the only recent case of an armed black thug shot by police who nevertheless caused protests. We know Alvin Cole stole a gun, was brandishing it and he even discharged it. That much is beyond dispute, and thus there is no reason to disbelieve the claim that he refused to drop the stolen gun he fired.

Take Mark Matthew Bender. 35 years old, a rap sheet going back 17 years, including for attempted murder. Was jumping on cars. Police show up. He resists arrest, fights with police. Has a handgun. Gets shot.

Mark Matthew Bender Jr.: San Bernardino Police Shooting Sparks Protests



#BLMers are protesting, calling it murder. Blocking traffic, attacking motorists, calling for police to be abolished. Ignant shit like that.
[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SAN BERNARDINO: A BLM protester punches a Hispanic woman in the face and another BLM protester keys her car after BLM protesters shut down an intersection (baseline/waterman) <a href="https://t.co/65HeNgRfua">pic.twitter.com/65HeNgRfua</a></p>— Drew Hernandez (@livesmattershow) <a href="https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1319827958115098624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]
[tweet]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SAN BERNARDINO: Earlier BLM protesters called to “abolish the police” in unison in front of the King Tut Liquor store where Mark Matthew Bender was shot and killed by an officer after reaching for a weapon while resisting arrest <a href="https://t.co/uprmdz8Fad">pic.twitter.com/uprmdz8Fad</a></p>— Drew Hernandez (@livesmattershow) <a href="https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1319837955070988289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/tweet]

 

[Derec]

Why did YouTube remove that video? Because it showed that the shooting of Mark Matthew Bender was justified? There was nothing that violated terms of service as far as I can tell.

By the way, there is another case of an unarmed black male shot by police. This time in Philadelphia. The perp was armed with a knife and was coming at the officers.




Lethal weapon (knife). Check.
A distance where that weapon is effective. Check.
Advancing toward officers. Check.
Justified shooting. Check.

But of course, #BLMers are rioting yet again.
[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looting in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Philadelphia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Philadelphia</a>, PA tonight in response to the fatal police shooting of 27-year-old <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WalterWallace?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WalterWallace</a> Jr. Monday. <br><br>Screen grabs H/T <a href="https://twitter.com/KittyLists?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@kittylists</a> <a href="https://t.co/EhOgvFnvU1">pic.twitter.com/EhOgvFnvU1</a></p>— Mill City Citizen Media (@millcitycitizen) <a href="https://twitter.com/millcitycitizen/status/1320980367554142208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]

[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A police SUV is on fire at 52nd and market, surrounded by a crowd of a couple hundred <a href="https://t.co/dwSFbNoMgs">pic.twitter.com/dwSFbNoMgs</a></p>— Anna Orso (@anna_orso) <a href="https://twitter.com/anna_orso/status/1320935317755645954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]


How long before the usual suspects on here start defending the rioters/looters and claiming police did wrong?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why did YouTube remove that video? Because it showed that the shooting of Mark Matthew Bender was justified? There was nothing that violated terms of service as far as I can tell.

Since there's a URL on the video I would figure it's because of copyright.

 

[laughing dog]

And you do not have any reason to doubt the officer's story.

Any intelligent person has reason to doubt a self-serving account that is not verified by an independent party. That is true whether the story is the police's or the victim's.

You have no reason to believe the officer's story other than your blind worship of the police and bigotry against blacks.

 

[repoman]

Here is the video



The drawn gun is very clear. So, any hindsight corrections to the officers actions were before that. Could have come in more relaxed but assertive. But a drunk guy waving gun around is a hard one to be mellow around.

Try to stall until back up arrives? Don't come in close?

At any rate once the gun was drawn... Justified shoot.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Here is the video



The drawn gun is very clear. So, any hindsight corrections to the officers actions were before that. Could have come in more relaxed but assertive. But a drunk guy waving gun around is a hard one to be mellow around.

Try to stall until back up arrives? Don't come in close?

At any rate once the gun was drawn... Justified shoot.

Sure looks justified to me. Draw on the cops, expect to die whatever color your skin. They shouldn't have put that stupid music on there, though!