SimpleDon
Veteran Member
More on job loss due to automation
There are a lot of somethings about national borders that are different than state borders. The states can't negotiate treaties with other nations. The states don't have to settle with foreign governments in the exchange of currencies, which if you run a trade deficit requires the addition of debt that the states can't legally accept. The states can't encourage unionization or allow government workers to strike because of the limits imposed on them by the Taft Hartley Act. The states can't impose capital controls. The states can't effectively regulate the financial sector. The states can't escape the races to the bottom that the federal government has imposed on them, for example the race to the bottom in credit card interest or the RttB of offering tax cuts to attract development. The states can't impose duties on the products of other states. So you are wrong.
The benefit from lower prices for American consumers has been wiped out completely by the increases in the costs of housing and by the increases in the costs of college. Both increases are due to neoliberal economic policies that increased profits and the incomes of the wealthy at the costs of reduced wages for the non-wealthy. The full benefit of the reduction in costs hasn't been passed on to consumers but rather has been captured as increased profits. So once again, you are wrong.
If you question these statements please read the hidden explanations below before responding.
There would be no reason for the corporations to offshore manufacturing if it didn't increase profits and decrease the need for more investment. The icing on the cake for the corporations is that the exposing of the wages in the US to competition from the low wage countries also lowers the relative wages in the US that they pay to their remaining employees, increasing profits even more.
The gains in profits are distributed to the stockholders who are overwhelmingly the rich who have a greater propensity to save more of their income. But there is less demand in the economy because demand is largely a function of the amount of wages paid which have gone down. Lower relative demand means that there is less need for productive investment. So the rich have more money to save but less opportunity for productive investment. So the increased profits inflates the stock market, the hedge funds, the collectibles market (art, antiques, coins, classic cars, etc.,) and finally the real estate market. It is the inflation of the real estate market at has increased housing prices. The average price of homes has gone up 560% nominal since 1980*.
Do you understand the economic principle of marginal costs setting the price of assets and goods and services?
Do you understand the economic principle of demand?
It is more than the desire to own something, consumers have to have the money to buy what they desire. Previously this point escaped you.
The costs of colleges have gone up largely because of the reduced support for them as governments have searched for savings in their budgets to balance the neoliberal tax cuts. The costs of a college education have gone up 1100% nominal since 1980.
* compared to an increase in the cost of living of 290% and an increase in the median income of 298%. Nominal amounts are the actual dollar amounts and aren't corrected for inflation. In my experience, conservatives are rather conflicted by the Consumer Price Index preferring to believe that it is too high when it is applied to wages or Social Security payments and that it understates inflation when we are discussing the operations by the Federal Reserve. This is cognitive dissonance, which is a requirement for being a conservative.
As far as productivity and wealth to the particular nation (in our case the US), it really does not matter whether the workers are replaced. As long as the factory stays in the same country the productivity and (wealth if you will) stays in that country.
But here is that thing that is key. Once that wealth stays in that country, there is a good chance that it will create other support jobs. There is no chance of that at all if the factory moves to China.
It turns out a lot of the benefit is passed on to consumers who get to enjoy cheaper goods. Which means they can have more goods and a better lifestyle. This statement is independent of whether we are talking about efficiencies gained through automation or imports.
There is not something magical about national borders in this regard that does not also apply to state borders, county borders, city borders, neighborhood borders, or your yard borders. We do not prosper by making the things we buy cost more.
There are a lot of somethings about national borders that are different than state borders. The states can't negotiate treaties with other nations. The states don't have to settle with foreign governments in the exchange of currencies, which if you run a trade deficit requires the addition of debt that the states can't legally accept. The states can't encourage unionization or allow government workers to strike because of the limits imposed on them by the Taft Hartley Act. The states can't impose capital controls. The states can't effectively regulate the financial sector. The states can't escape the races to the bottom that the federal government has imposed on them, for example the race to the bottom in credit card interest or the RttB of offering tax cuts to attract development. The states can't impose duties on the products of other states. So you are wrong.
The benefit from lower prices for American consumers has been wiped out completely by the increases in the costs of housing and by the increases in the costs of college. Both increases are due to neoliberal economic policies that increased profits and the incomes of the wealthy at the costs of reduced wages for the non-wealthy. The full benefit of the reduction in costs hasn't been passed on to consumers but rather has been captured as increased profits. So once again, you are wrong.
If you question these statements please read the hidden explanations below before responding.
There would be no reason for the corporations to offshore manufacturing if it didn't increase profits and decrease the need for more investment. The icing on the cake for the corporations is that the exposing of the wages in the US to competition from the low wage countries also lowers the relative wages in the US that they pay to their remaining employees, increasing profits even more.
The gains in profits are distributed to the stockholders who are overwhelmingly the rich who have a greater propensity to save more of their income. But there is less demand in the economy because demand is largely a function of the amount of wages paid which have gone down. Lower relative demand means that there is less need for productive investment. So the rich have more money to save but less opportunity for productive investment. So the increased profits inflates the stock market, the hedge funds, the collectibles market (art, antiques, coins, classic cars, etc.,) and finally the real estate market. It is the inflation of the real estate market at has increased housing prices. The average price of homes has gone up 560% nominal since 1980*.
Do you understand the economic principle of marginal costs setting the price of assets and goods and services?
Do you understand the economic principle of demand?
It is more than the desire to own something, consumers have to have the money to buy what they desire. Previously this point escaped you.
The costs of colleges have gone up largely because of the reduced support for them as governments have searched for savings in their budgets to balance the neoliberal tax cuts. The costs of a college education have gone up 1100% nominal since 1980.
* compared to an increase in the cost of living of 290% and an increase in the median income of 298%. Nominal amounts are the actual dollar amounts and aren't corrected for inflation. In my experience, conservatives are rather conflicted by the Consumer Price Index preferring to believe that it is too high when it is applied to wages or Social Security payments and that it understates inflation when we are discussing the operations by the Federal Reserve. This is cognitive dissonance, which is a requirement for being a conservative.