More rapefugees in Germany

[Derec]

Germany gang rape: 11 men on trial over attack on woman, 18

Eleven men, most of them from Syria, have gone on trial in Germany over the gang rape of an 18-year-old woman last October. The defendants, aged between 18 and 30, were due to appear at Freiburg district court in northwestern Germany charged with raping the young woman outside a nightclub or failing to prevent the attack.
The suspects comprise of one German citizen, eight Syrians, two Algerians and an Iraqi.
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The primary defendant, a 22-year-old from Syria, is accused of being a prolific offender who was the subject of unenforced arrest warrants for other crimes at the time of the alleged rape.

Given that all other defendants are Arabs, I strongly suspect that the so-called "German citizen" is one also. Germany has lately been handing out citizenships to Muslims like candy.

The worst thing is that since Germany is not deporting even violent criminals to Syria, these rapefugees will likely be allowed to stay in Germany and will not be deported after they serve their sentence.

Danke Merkel!

 

[fast]

or failing to prevent the attack

That’s strange.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I know, Derec believing rapes happen... or maybe only Muslims rape. Not to sway the thread too far off topic, but did people know that some women have lied about rape?

 

[Trausti]

But the most experienced statesman of Europe has never been summoned to consider the propriety, or the danger, of admitting, or rejecting, an innumerable multitude of Barbarians, who are driven by despair and hunger to solicit a settlement on the territories of a civilized nation. When that important proposition, so essentially connected with the public safety, was referred to the ministers of Valens, they were perplexed and divided; but they soon acquiesced in the flattering sentiment which seemed the most favorable to the pride, the indolence, and the avarice of their sovereign.

Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Chapter XXVI: Progress of The Huns. Part III.

 

[Derec]

I know, Derec believing rapes happen...

I never said rapes don't happen. But this seems a pretty clear cut case, and it was reported right after it happened. Certainly it is not similar to an alleged rape that may or may not have happened in 1995 or 1996.

or maybe only Muslims rape.

It's the other way around. For the Left, rape is treated as most serious when a non-Muslim white man can be blamed. Like Trump or the Duke Lacrosse players or some frat boys from UVA.

By the way, what is your opinion. Should these rapefugees be deported after serving their sentences even though they are from places like Syria?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

What can you do about this patriarchy?

 

[repoman]

I know, Derec believing rapes happen...

I never said rapes don't happen. But this seems a pretty clear cut case, and it was reported right after it happened. Certainly it is not similar to an alleged rape that may or may not have happened in 1995 or 1996.

or maybe only Muslims rape.

It's the other way around. For the Left, rape is treated as most serious when a non-Muslim white man can be blamed. Like Trump or the Duke Lacrosse players or some frat boys from UVA.

By the way, what is your opinion. Should these rapefugees be deported after serving their sentences even though they are from places like Syria?

This is an interesting point, but now even "right wing" people are using the left's own progressive stack against the left, which actually helps the left.

I’m far from the first to say it, but it really can’t be understated how sick it is to emphasize @MrAndyNgo’s status as a sexual and racial minority in relation to his victimhood.

This view upholds the progressive hierarchy of value that places White Americans at the bottom.

As an example.

 

[Bronzeage]

I know, Derec believing rapes happen... or maybe only Muslims rape. Not to sway the thread too far off topic, but did people know that some women have lied about rape?

Only white men are falsely accused of rape because women want to have sex with white men. Most white men, maybe.

 

[Gun Nut]

or failing to prevent the attack

That’s strange.

not really.. as in it's not an uncommon law..
Doing nothing to stop and help someone in dire need can be a crime when no harm could come of you for helping... (just pickup your phone and call 911 is all you have to do to minimally help).
In the US, if you are aware of a crime being planned, and do nothing, and the crime occurs... you can be held partially accountable.
Good Samaritan laws protect would-be do-gooders from civil action if their "helping" inadvertently harms... as long as their actions are reasonable... like providing CPR to save a life, but you crack 3 of their ribs doing it... you are not liable for their medical bills because you were being a Good Samaritan.

 

[repoman]

Think about it this way, there are lots of unattached youngish men who are coming over there in big pulses.

Their age and being men alone should totally be taken into account for the statistics of rape and other crimes.

After that is done if there still is a large disparity between them and the rest of Germany there should be a solution to that.

 

[Derec]

Only white men are falsely accused of rape

Obviously wrong. Have you not heard of Brian Banks or the Hofstra gang rape hoax? Probably Kobe Bryant too, as that case was quite fishy and most likely an attempt to extort money from him.

It is notable that you immediately pull the race card to derail the thread and avoid the actual issue: the dangerous idiocy of taking in millions of unvetted mass migrants from an incompatible culture and then not having any efficient way to send those people back when they commit crimes.
The main suspect, a Syrian, had warrants out on him for other crimes at the time of the rape. But police did not bother picking him up. And even if they had, what could they do? He is undeportable because he is a Syrian.

 

[Derec]

What can you do about this patriarchy?

Actually it wasn't patriarchy that caused this, but rather matriarchy. This matriarch in particular.

Her nickname is even "Mutti" (mom)!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

... will likely be allowed to stay in Germany and will not be deported after they serve their sentence.

You are an immigrant who commits crimes. Do you think you should be deported? You are pointing the finger at others: people you don't like and saying they should be deported. Where are you drawing a line?

...violent criminals...

So if you got into a fist fight and charged with assault, you should get deported? Again, what are your OBJECTIVE criteria for saying an immigrant committing a crime of type X should be deported? Why are the criteria objective?

 

[Derec]

You are an immigrant who commits crimes. Do you think you should be deported? You are pointing the finger at others: people you don't like and saying they should be deported. Where are you drawing a line?

You know, this ad hominem nonsense is getting tiresome.
Answer the question. Do you think migrants who commit serious crimes such as rape, robbery, or even (attempted) murder should get deported even to places like Syria?

So if you got into a fist fight and charged with assault, you should get deported? Again, what are your OBJECTIVE criteria for saying an immigrant committing a crime of type X should be deported? Why are the criteria objective?

What do you think should be the criteria? Or do you think there should not be any criteria and everybody should just get to stay no matter what?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You are an immigrant who commits crimes. Do you think you should be deported? You are pointing the finger at others: people you don't like and saying they should be deported. Where are you drawing a line?

You know, this ad hominem nonsense is getting tiresome.

It's not a personal insult. It's factual. You are a criminal and espouse the view that it should be legal. A lot of criminals think like that.

Answer the question. Do you think migrants who commit serious crimes such as rape, robbery, or even (attempted) murder should get deported even to places like Syria?

I don't think that in all these cases there should be a universal rule about deportation. Suppose an immigrant came to the US as an infant and is not a citizen yet. At 15, they sexually assault someone or physically abuse someone. Do I think that is grounds for deportation? Not really. Likewise, getting involved in prostitution a few times, not really, but a John who keeps doing it over and over, saying screw you, I'm going to follow the laws of my home country that I like better is getting there. Not quite, but getting there. Murder? Most probably. I can't imagine exceptions there. Also, asylum seekers from Syria or other countries should be given more leeway, probably. The whole picture has to be taken into account.

So off the top of my head and certainly not a complete list, you'd have to look at:

• severity of crime
• frequency, repeat offender?
• recidivism rates and likelihood of recidivism
• age and how long in the US
• situation in home country
• benefit to the US, job, benefits to community, benefits to family if in US
• familial ties to the US

Merely saying "violent criminals!!!1" without even a fair hearing or a complete picture doesn't cut it for me.

So if you got into a fist fight and charged with assault, you should get deported? Again, what are your OBJECTIVE criteria for saying an immigrant committing a crime of type X should be deported? Why are the criteria objective?

What do you think should be the criteria? Or do you think there should not be any criteria and everybody should just get to stay no matter what?

I asked YOU.

 

[Derec]

It's not a personal insult.

Ad hominem are not just insults.
Why are you, Toni and Frikki so damn obsessed with my sex life?
If a sexually active gay man was posting here pre-Lawrence would you be using that against him too if he argued against certain real criminals?

I don't think that in all these cases there should be a universal rule about deportation. Suppose an immigrant came to the US as an infant and is not a citizen yet. At 15, they sexually assault someone or physically abuse someone. Do I think that is grounds for deportation? Not really.

First of all, these people came to Germany in 2015 (Danke Merkel!). That's only four years ago. Do you think they should be deported?
What about the Afghans (there were several cases in Germany alone) who not only raped, but murdered a woman/girl (in one case the victim was 22, in the other only 15). "Life" sentence in Germany is only 15 years so the rapefugees will still be reasonably young when they go free. Should they not be deported?

Likewise, getting involved in prostitution a few times, not really, but a John who keeps doing it over and over, saying screw you, I'm going to follow the laws of my home country that I like better is getting there.

There is no reasonable grounds to ban sex work. Neither is there a reasonable grounds to ban sex work. Unlike with rape or murder. But yet again you are engaging in attacks against me instead of engaging with the issue of the thread.

Not quite, but getting there. Murder? Most probably. I can't imagine exceptions there.

There was a case in Germany where an Iraqi fakefugee was arrested for attempted murder. He served a few years and then was just released. No deprtation because Iraq is so dangerous for violent thugs. What did this guy do shortly after his release? He stabbed a police woman almost to death.
These policies have consequences for real people. Ostensibly people Merkel should feel more responsibility for than for Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis etc.

Also, asylum seekers from Syria or other countries should be given more leeway, probably. The whole picture has to be taken into account.

When the crime is a serious one no leeway should be given. To paraphrase Walter White, they are not in danger. They are the danger.

Merely saying "violent criminals!!!1" without even a fair hearing or a complete picture doesn't cut it for me.

Merely saying "Syrian" or "Afghan" to let them stay in the West after their release for violent felonies does not cut it for me.

I asked YOU.

When you stop with your ad hominem BS I may entertain your requests.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Good Samaritan laws protect would-be do-gooders from civil action if their "helping" inadvertently harms... as long as their actions are reasonable... like providing CPR to save a life, but you crack 3 of their ribs doing it... you are not liable for their medical bills because you were being a Good Samaritan.

Nitpick: broken ribs from CPR isn't inadvertent harm, it is expected harm.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

What can you do about this patriarchy?

Actually it wasn't patriarchy that caused this, but rather matriarchy. This matriarch in particular.

Her nickname is even "Mutti" (mom)!

No, it's conservative patriarchs doing the rapes, but nice try. So again, what are you going to do about all these masculinists?