More Reverse Racialism from Universities

[JonA]

I don't understand why you find it objectionable.

I have not expressed any objection.

 

[JonA]

How does that measure anything?

What value would you place on your freedom? What would you be willing to pay to not get placed in chains as a boy and shipped off to a plantation to work hard labor without compensation for the rest of your life? To not be beaten savagely at the will of your owner? To not have your children enslaved and sentenced to the same life as yours, if you were permitted to have children? What would you be willing to pay for your freedom and the freedom of your descendants? If you want a measure of the harm done by slavery, this may be a place to start.

Sifting through your rant, I'll pick out the only bit that really matters: ... labor without compensation ...

Care to build on that?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

What value would you place on your freedom? What would you be willing to pay to not get placed in chains as a boy and shipped off to a plantation to work hard labor without compensation for the rest of your life? To not be beaten savagely at the will of your owner? To not have your children enslaved and sentenced to the same life as yours, if you were permitted to have children? What would you be willing to pay for your freedom and the freedom of your descendants? If you want a measure of the harm done by slavery, this may be a place to start.

Sifting through your rant, I'll pick out the only bit that really matters: ... labor without compensation ...

Care to build on that?

 

[JonA]

Sifting through your rant, I'll pick out the only bit that really matters: ... labor without compensation ...

Care to build on that?

It's okay, Don. We already know you've got nothing.

 

[atrib]

What value would you place on your freedom? What would you be willing to pay to not get placed in chains as a boy and shipped off to a plantation to work hard labor without compensation for the rest of your life? To not be beaten savagely at the will of your owner? To not have your children enslaved and sentenced to the same life as yours, if you were permitted to have children? What would you be willing to pay for your freedom and the freedom of your descendants? If you want a measure of the harm done by slavery, this may be a place to start.

Sifting through your rant, I'll pick out the only bit that really matters: ... labor without compensation ...

Care to build on that?

Stop trolling and answer the question.

Maybe you really believe that the freedom of a black person and his family has no value to him or her, and their only worth is the labor a slave-master can extract from their bodies while they are alive. Labor without compensation. Is that what you are saying?

 

[atrib]

I don't understand why you find it objectionable.

I have not expressed any objection.

Really? What exactly were you trying to say in post 2, in direct response to the OP?

 

[Trausti]

I'd just point out that, while I don't have an issue with this, it's really just smug virtue signaling by Georgetown. To qualify, a person would need to prove that they are a descendant of a slave owned by the Georgetown Jesuits. But that doesn't get you in. The benefit extended is only to be treated like a legacy admission. So it's a preference in favor of your admission, assuming you'd otherwise qualify to be admitted. The number of applicants likely to be admitted under this scheme is close to zero.

 

[JonA]

I'd just point out that, while I don't have an issue with this, it's really just smug virtue signaling by Georgetown. To qualify, a person would need to prove that they are a descendant of a slave owned by the Georgetown Jesuits. But that doesn't get you in. The benefit extended is only to be treated like a legacy admission. So it's a preference in favor of your admission, assuming you'd otherwise qualify to be admitted. The number of applicants likely to be admitted under this scheme is close to zero.

Is it your position that this really does very little to make up for what Georgetown did?

I can agree with that.

 

[laughing dog]

I'd just point out that, while I don't have an issue with this, it's really just smug virtue signaling by Georgetown. To qualify, a person would need to prove that they are a descendant of a slave owned by the Georgetown Jesuits. But that doesn't get you in. The benefit extended is only to be treated like a legacy admission. So it's a preference in favor of your admission, assuming you'd otherwise qualify to be admitted. The number of applicants likely to be admitted under this scheme is close to zero.

According to this article, legacy status does double the chance of admission (http://www.thehoya.com/legacy-status-tips-admission-scales/) to Georgetown and with slightly lower scores.

Whether this smug virtue signalling or not is up for debate. But I am interested in what Georgetown could do in this regard that would not be regarded as smug virtue signalling but as an honest and valid atonement.

 

[Trausti]

I'd just point out that, while I don't have an issue with this, it's really just smug virtue signaling by Georgetown. To qualify, a person would need to prove that they are a descendant of a slave owned by the Georgetown Jesuits. But that doesn't get you in. The benefit extended is only to be treated like a legacy admission. So it's a preference in favor of your admission, assuming you'd otherwise qualify to be admitted. The number of applicants likely to be admitted under this scheme is close to zero.

According to this article, legacy status does double the chance of admission (http://www.thehoya.com/legacy-status-tips-admission-scales/) to Georgetown and with slightly lower scores.

Whether this smug virtue signalling or not is up for debate. But I am interested in what Georgetown could do in this regard that would not be regarded as smug virtue signalling but as an honest and valid atonement.

It's meaningless. You've still got to show you're a descendant of a Georgetown slave. Plus, you've got to be someone interested in attending that university. Plus, you've got to figure out how to pay for it. (Nothing in there about paid tuition.)

 

[laughing dog]

According to this article, legacy status does double the chance of admission (http://www.thehoya.com/legacy-status-tips-admission-scales/) to Georgetown and with slightly lower scores.

Whether this smug virtue signalling or not is up for debate. But I am interested in what Georgetown could do in this regard that would not be regarded as smug virtue signalling but as an honest and valid atonement.

It's meaningless. You've still got to show you're a descendant of a Georgetown slave. Plus, you've got to be someone interested in attending that university. Plus, you've got to figure out how to pay for it. (Nothing in there about paid tuition.)

I don't see how that answers my question unless you mean that Georgetown would have to let these legacies attend for free.

 

[atrib]

I'd just point out that, while I don't have an issue with this, it's really just smug virtue signaling by Georgetown. To qualify, a person would need to prove that they are a descendant of a slave owned by the Georgetown Jesuits. But that doesn't get you in. The benefit extended is only to be treated like a legacy admission. So it's a preference in favor of your admission, assuming you'd otherwise qualify to be admitted. The number of applicants likely to be admitted under this scheme is close to zero.

I agree. It comes across as a token gesture that does very little to enhance the opportunity of a Georgetown slave descendant to be admitted to, and to pay for an education there. A more meaningful gesture might have included guaranteed admission and full tuition for any descendant of a Georgetown slave who met some minimum academic criteria and was actually interested in attending Georgetown. But that would likely entail a significant financial commitment on the part of Georgetown, so it's not on the table.

 

[JonA]

I have not expressed any objection.

Really? What exactly were you trying to say in post 2, in direct response to the OP?

The OP thought he was being clever.

He was not.

It's actually a serious issue. Robbing someone of the product of their labor and their progeny of the benefit of their inheritance is nothing to make light of.

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Sifting through your rant, I'll pick out the only bit that really matters: ... labor without compensation ...

Care to build on that?

Stop trolling and answer the question.

Maybe you really believe that the freedom of a black person and his family has no value to him or her, and their only worth is the labor a slave-master can extract from their bodies while they are alive. Labor without compensation. Is that what you are saying?

I did answer the question. I said it was irrelevant.

The freedom itself has an incomputable value to the person denied it. But it has no value to anyone else, including that person's descendants.

What has value to that person's descendants is the difference in outcome they - the descendants - see between their ancestor being enslaved or free, and that difference is the inheritance, or what the the slave's descendants would otherwise get were the products of his labor not being stolen from him.

Now I would suggest that instead of whooping like a monkey at a hoard of bananas you do a little research to find out what those numbers are. You just might find that when you challenge yourself to think and explore something using logic, reason, and reality that the world can be an even better place.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

According to this article, legacy status does double the chance of admission (http://www.thehoya.com/legacy-status-tips-admission-scales/) to Georgetown and with slightly lower scores.

Whether this smug virtue signalling or not is up for debate. But I am interested in what Georgetown could do in this regard that would not be regarded as smug virtue signalling but as an honest and valid atonement.

It's meaningless.

Atonement isn't meaningless.

You've still got to show you're a descendant of a Georgetown slave.

Well, they don't want people to take advantage of the new policy so why shouldn't they show it?

Plus, you've got to be someone interested in attending that university.

Why would Georgetown not want attending students to be disinterested in attending?

Plus, you've got to figure out how to pay for it. (Nothing in there about paid tuition.)

It's called financial aid and students who go to Georgetown, get it.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It's meaningless. You've still got to show you're a descendant of a Georgetown slave. Plus, you've got to be someone interested in attending that university. Plus, you've got to figure out how to pay for it. (Nothing in there about paid tuition.)

I don't see how that answers my question unless you mean that Georgetown would have to let these legacies attend for free.

Well, the legacy admissions whose parents have donated, they have to show they are their children, they have to be interested in attending that university, and they have to pay for it. So it's completely different.