Muslims losing faith

[Juma]

People are primarily driven by emotional needs. We're not robots. Barbos argument assumes people are robots devoid of emotions. Hence, not valid IMHO.

So if police stops you for speeding your excuse will be "I am not a robot"?
I am sorry but your counter-argument seems pretty random and meaningless. If anything muslims are in fact robots incapable to reason.

Muslims? Some mulims maybe. Not all. Not even many muslims....

 

[DrZoidberg]

People are primarily driven by emotional needs. We're not robots. Barbos argument assumes people are robots devoid of emotions. Hence, not valid IMHO.

So if police stops you for speeding your excuse will be "I am not a robot"?
I am sorry but your counter-argument seems pretty random and meaningless. If anything muslims are in fact robots incapable to reason.

Our peers matter. We rarely do what is the most rational. We do what feels best, and most often, we do things that are re-enforced by our peers. If that doesn't describe you, then you have aspergers. For the rest of us this is how the world functions.

If your rational choice is between doing something that feels good vs something that feels bad, the rational choice is doing something that feels good.

This is why cultural change is so slow. First low status members of a community change the behaviour, and then it travels upward. And then afterwards everybodies collective memory is that it was the high status members who changed their behaviour first, because human perception is selective and our species is fucking dumb-ass.

 

[barbos]

So if police stops you for speeding your excuse will be "I am not a robot"?
I am sorry but your counter-argument seems pretty random and meaningless. If anything muslims are in fact robots incapable to reason.

Our peers matter. We rarely do what is the most rational. We do what feels best, and most often, we do things that are re-enforced by our peers. If that doesn't describe you, then you have aspergers. For the rest of us this is how the world functions.

If your rational choice is between doing something that feels good vs something that feels bad, the rational choice is doing something that feels good.

This is why cultural change is so slow. First low status members of a community change the behaviour, and then it travels upward. And then afterwards everybodies collective memory is that it was the high status members who changed their behaviour first, because human perception is selective and our species is fucking dumb-ass.

It's all very interesting but does not refute my argument in any way. It's 21st century.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Our peers matter. We rarely do what is the most rational. We do what feels best, and most often, we do things that are re-enforced by our peers. If that doesn't describe you, then you have aspergers. For the rest of us this is how the world functions.

If your rational choice is between doing something that feels good vs something that feels bad, the rational choice is doing something that feels good.

This is why cultural change is so slow. First low status members of a community change the behaviour, and then it travels upward. And then afterwards everybodies collective memory is that it was the high status members who changed their behaviour first, because human perception is selective and our species is fucking dumb-ass.

It's all very interesting but does not refute my argument in any way. It's 21st century.

How's your line of argument? Are you saying that the peers of a young Muslim man in Jordan is men in.... let's say... Italy? And that is the people that the compare themselves against? Is that your argument? I can't follow your argument at all.

Edit: to turn it around. The values that you have. Your goals in life. The stuff that you judge as having high status. Your view of happiness and the desirable life. How do you think you formed all those ideas? Is there a pattern? Could it be that you have in some ways modelled yourself after people that you admire? Perhaps people from your own culture that you aspire to be more like?