my solution to the confederate flag nonsense

[tantric]

keep the flag, in the red, gold and green of mother africa. this comes from a 'white' southerner, who has the good sense to know that everything that is different about the south (and not utterly reprehensible) comes from africa.



purty ole thang, ain't she?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Or, how about you use the American flag to symbolize that the South got their slaver-loving asses handed to them when they started a war to defend slavery?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Too bright for my tastes, but I'm not in the South. I'm more of the opinion that the Stars and Bars should be flown over Confederate memorials until its meaning changes.

 

[ksen]

 

[Nice Squirrel]

If that doesn't say inclusion...

 

[Horatio Parker]

I thought the African colors were red, green and BLACK.

 

[Rhea]

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I like this flag.
Oh, wait....
this is even better!

and

If that doesn't say inclusion...

How about we change the white border of the X and blue & white stars to the African red and green with a black border.


That'll do it for me.

 

[untermensche]

Personal use of the flag is not threatened. That is freedom of speech.

The only thing threatened is governmental use of the flag.

 

[NobleSavage]

This one!

 

[tantric]

nope - the colors of africa are those of the flag of ethiopia:

What the colours symbolise varies depending on point of view. However, generally, red represents blood spilled in defence of Ethiopia; yellow represents peace and harmony between Ethiopia's various ethnic and religious groups; and green is said to symbolize hope, or the land and its fertility. Upon gaining independence from colonial rule, several newly established countries in Africa adopted these three colours in homage to Ethiopia's resistance against foreign occupation. When adopted by Pan-Africanist polities and organizations for their activities, the colours are often referred to as the Pan-African colours.[5]

you're talking about the UNIA flag:

The UNIA founded by Marcus Garvey has a constitution which defines red, black, and green as the Pan-African colours: "red representing the noble blood that unites all people of African ancestry, the colour black for the people, green for the rich land of Africa."[citation needed] The UNIA flag was designated the official colours of Black Africans by the UNIA at its convention in Madison Square Garden on August 13, 1920 in New York City, United States.

which obviously will not work for a number of reasons, the most obvious being that very, very few africans are actually black - they're brown or, more to point, dirt colored like all humans. also, it represents Africa, which includes all kinds of people. and finally, it's meant to unify southerners of all 'colors' in deference to our african heritage. also, Marcus Garvey was a loon.

 

[Horatio Parker]

nope - the colors of africa are those of the flag of ethiopia:

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you're talking about the UNIA flag:

The UNIA founded by Marcus Garvey has a constitution which defines red, black, and green as the Pan-African colours: "red representing the noble blood that unites all people of African ancestry, the colour black for the people, green for the rich land of Africa."[citation needed] The UNIA flag was designated the official colours of Black Africans by the UNIA at its convention in Madison Square Garden on August 13, 1920 in New York City, United States.

which obviously will not work for a number of reasons, the most obvious being that very, very few africans are actually black - they're brown or, more to point, dirt colored like all humans. also, it represents Africa, which includes all kinds of people. and finally, it's meant to unify southerners of all 'colors' in deference to our african heritage. also, Marcus Garvey was a loon.

I've only heard of the black, green and red. Seems like an American flag attempting to include AAs should be representative of AAs….the thought that Ethiopa's colors are somehow more representative of all than the pan-African colors takes more mental flexibility than I can summon at this moment.

 

[ronburgundy]

Not so much a "solution", but it is a funny way piss off most of the confederate flag wavers and add fuel to their racist fires. I'd be seriously scared to display one of those in the South, though. It would be a very high risk of getting shot.

 

[BH]

I had relatives fight in the Confederate army and think the Confederate flag should not fly anytime anywhere except in movies made about the time period.

I mean, seriously, what the Confederacy stood for was one notch morally above Nazism in my opinion. The South wanted to enslave blacks and its leaders and most of the white population thought they were an inferior race. The Nazis thought some of their minorities inferior, enslaved them, and then gassed the ones that wouldn't and couldn't work. At least the Confederates did not know about Zyclon B and how it could have been used as a weapon against red indians.

I wouldn't go around flying the Nazi flag if I were German and I sure wouldn't fly the Confederate flag for the same reasons. Whatever "good" there was is cancelled out by the amount of "evil".

Even Varina Davis later said it was a good thing the Confederacy lost the war.

I can't remember the guy's name but the South had its own Dr. Mengele who experimented on slave women often without pain killers. It was right before the civil war but still, the slaves had no rights and he took advantage of it.

 

[tantric]

look, y'all - the nusouth is done with that crap. it's history. still, i'd like to see MLK's face on the other side of Stone Mountain, but that would cost a lot. instead we get a street car that goes to the terminally boring king center. my southern heritages includes the Trail of Tears, Gone with the Wind, Roots, the Civil War, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, colllard greens and corn bread, a place where the dirt is red clay, cross burnings and church bombings and freedom marches, the dirty south and OutKast, sweet tea and fried okra, the buford highway farmers market, etc etc.

when i was a kid, my family was openly racist. now my 81 yr old dad's best friend is a country black man - mr. willie (it would take hours to explain how we use honorifics) gives me dad barbeque, my dad gives him collards and watermelons. yes, watermelons, goddammit - the best you'll ever taste, i sell them on the side of the road for $3. wanna see my card?



I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRIMES OF MY ANCESTORS - bring that shit up again and i'll turn it on you and you ain't gone like it, i promise you that. germans get to be german, wtf don't i get to be southern? and, more to the point, i don't have time for that crap. i love being southern and i'm not even remotely racist. southern culture is NOT a white thing - it's a southern thang, y'all wouldn't understand.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Many of us lived in the U.S. South for many years and understand it just fine. While the people of the South are certainly not responsible for the crimes of their ancestors, they are responsible if they glorify or try to trivialize those crimes.

 

[zorq]

Sountherners should be allowed to be southerners just like Germans are allowed to be Germans.

OKAY!

Then we can treat Southerners who fly the Confederate flag just like we treat Germans who fly swastica flags.

 

[Arctish]

Someone on another board suggested a different compromise: having South Carolina fly the final flag of the Confederate Army, the white one, on the grounds of their State capitol. That way they could honor their southern heritage while avoiding the appearance of upholding the worst aspects of it.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Sountherners should be allowed to be southerners just like Germans are allowed to be Germans.

OKAY!

Then we can treat Southerners who fly the Confederate flag just like we treat Germans who fly swastica flags.

Fun fact I didn't know until yesterday. The swastika flag is banned by many places in the EU, so when the Neonazi's demonstrate they can't use that flag. Their preferred substitute? Try and guess...

 

[Keith&Co.]

southern culture is NOT a white thing

Yeah, my experience confirms that. When my kids were born, the fact that they had even one drop of white blood in their ancestry is why the state registered them as whites and later refused to assign them to specific schools because of their whiteness.

Oh, wait, no. That's not what happened at all...

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Fun fact I didn't know until yesterday. The swastika flag is banned by many places in the EU, so when the Neonazi's demonstrate they can't use that flag. Their preferred substitute? Try and guess...

Well, it's good that they make that sort of accomodation. It would be terribly awkward to have a pro-fascism demonstration where the demonstrators break the government's rules.