Nancy Pelosi just pulled a major power move on Donald Trump's State of the Union

[poster]

Exactly!

It's difficult to say what's worse - not honoring a deal or not offering a deal. You can't decline something that's never been offered.

But don't let any of that get in the way of your sophistry.

We can discuss which is worse but I think it's pretty clear what is worst.

The worst is agreeing to something but reneging at the last moment, not just once but over and over again.

Trump cannot be trusted to honor a deal, not even deals he or his Administration propose. He's erratic and feckless, and everyone in Washington D.C. knows it.

Right! Continue making excuses for it not being put out there.

Did the spelling disagreement cause an erection?

 

[Arctish]

We can discuss which is worse but I think it's pretty clear what is worst.

The worst is agreeing to something but reneging at the last moment, not just once but over and over again.

Trump cannot be trusted to honor a deal, not even deals he or his Administration propose. He's erratic and feckless, and everyone in Washington D.C. knows it.

Right! Continue making excuses for it not being put out there.

What excuses?

Trump can't be trusted to honor deals, and everyone who knows anything about him knows it.

Did the spelling disagreement cause an erection?

What spelling disagreement?

ETA: Upon rereading your post and mine, I see where it appeared I was correcting your spelling. That wasn't what I meant to say. Let me rephrase it.

We can discuss which is worse, not honoring a deal or not offering a deal, but I think it's pretty clear what is worst: being so erratic and moody that even your allies in Congress aren't willing to publicly support your positions, having been repeatedly burned by your fecklessness.

 

[blastula]

If the sociopath wants an agreement to get his own boondoggle Marcos monument built over a fake crisis, he needs to do it by proposing a bill and persuading Congress to pass it, like every other president. No coddling of the terrorist toddler or it will never end.

 

[poster]

Grandma and grandpa should offer it, if for no other reason than to prove to those of us who doubt their commitment to UHC, that they are in fact committed to it.

 

[Arctish]

There is no reason to tie UHC to Trump's vanity project.

Congress controls the purse strings. If a President wants money for a project or a program, he has to ask for it. Congress can approve the request, modify it, or just say no. That's a feature of our government, not a flaw.

For some reason (and I suspect it has more to do with the Mueller investigation than migrants) Trump has chosen this moment, when Republicans have lost control of the House and shortly after a massive tax cut, to try to strong arm Democrats into approving the construction of a Great Wall of Ugliness that a majority of Americans don't want and a majority of immigration experts say won't work.

Trump wants to look strong but he shot himself in the foot when he shot off his mouth in a live broadcast, telling Pelosi and Schumer "If we don't get what we want ... I will shut down the government. And I am proud to shut down the government for border security.... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it."

He said he would own the shutdown and now he does. Pelosi and Schumer are under no obligation to cave to his demands, and would be doing a disservice to future generations if they let the Executive Branch get away with extorting money by threatening the livelihoods of citizens.

 

[poster]

IOW, UHC just isn't important enough to use a perfect opportunity to try and get it passed. Excellent! It seems to me that any Democrat member of Congress who passes up any opportunity whatsoever to not try to get UHC passed is a phony. And any member of the society who wants to see UHC passed and supports Democrat members choosing to play tit for tat instead of serving the needs of the needy are also phonies.

 

[Arctish]

IOW, UHC just isn't important enough to use a perfect opportunity to try and get it passed. Excellent!

Have the Democrats worked out a proposal on how to pay for and implement UHC, or is it still on the drawing board? What good is a liar's promise to honor a pledge to someday sign off on a plan that's TBD?

And anyway, why should UHC be linked to a border security issue?

It seems to me that any Democrat member of Congress who passes up any opportunity whatsoever to not try to get UHC passed is a phony. And any member of the society who wants to see UHC passed and supports Democrat members choosing to play tit for tat instead of serving the needs of the needy are also phonies.

Agreeing to fund Trump's multi-billion dollar plan to construct a giant wall puts us farther away from UHC, not closer. We need those funds going to health care, not wasted on a vanity project that does nothing but confiscate property and drive up the cost of steel and concrete.

Trump doesn't honor promises he made to his allies in Congress, much less his opponents. All it takes is a few harsh words from Fox and Friends and he'd throw anybody under the bus. What makes you think he'd honor a promise to do something that would piss off his base?

UHC isn't going to happen while Trump is in office.

 

[poster]

Has Granny or Squinty ever made a commitment to UHC or MFA?

 

[funinspace]

Towards the comment by blastula: Yes, I know it wasn't a vacation. However, as she is part of the legislative branch, she and her delegation, were only going to be observers. Just what of importance were they going to learn/observe, after 18 years of failed occupation, that wouldn't be observed/learned in 4, 7, 10 months time?

Pelosi, should have been smart enough to cancel her own trip as it is/was in obvious poor taste to go globe trotting at this time. And it would have forced FFvC to look for something else to act pissy about...

It wasn't a vacation, she was going to Afghanistan, with a delegation.

Yes. It would have made Shitgibbon look bad if it had been on his best day. Double benefit to the timing - she not only can't show up his cowardice, he also gets the appearance of "hitting back", which his moron brigade simply LOVES.

Except that in the process he revealed their plans to go into a war zone which must be kept secret until they arrive at their destination. It really shows a basic level of disrespect for the safety of others.

Except that once the trip was canceled there is no issue of safety/security.

 

[poster]

FFvC? I'm assuming the "FF" means Fuck Face. What's the rest mean? VC usually means Venture Capitalist, but I'm doubting that to be your meaning. I like the Fuck Face part, btw.

 

[AirPoh]

It'd be nice to see someone actually negotiate. Perhaps UHC and some judgeships for the $5.7b. That won't happen though because neither Nance or Chuck want UHC, and they actually like conservative judges that side with corporate greed.

No, it's because rewarding hostage-taking gets you more hostage-taking.

Chuck and Nance don't want to negotiate for UHC because it goes against their corporate backers. I would not be surprised, however, to see them eventually try to negotiate an end to Trumps assults on Obamacare. That would be a major sellout, too.

What's the point in negotiating with someone who won't honor the deal anyway?

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

 

[poster]

Chuck and Nance don't want to negotiate for UHC because it goes against their corporate backers. I would not be surprised, however, to see them eventually try to negotiate an end to Trumps assults on Obamacare. That would be a major sellout, too.

What's the point in negotiating with someone who won't honor the deal anyway?

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

That's kind of strange to say just after negotiating a prison reform bill and a number of judgeships, among other things.

 

[funinspace]

FFvC? I'm assuming the "FF" means Fuck Face. What's the rest mean? VC usually means Venture Capitalist, but I'm doubting that to be your meaning. I like the Fuck Face part, btw.

It was Jon Stewart, and he pretty much steam rolled Don the Con in Twitter wars... The whole story is in the linky:
https://mypoliticalsanity.com/2016/11/29/jon-stewart-trump-and-the-twitter-war-of-2013/

And on the following night’s episode of The Daily Show, Jon displayed the above tweets, and said “Did you know Donald Trump’s birth name is Fuckface Von Clownstick?

 

[poster]

FFvC? I'm assuming the "FF" means Fuck Face. What's the rest mean? VC usually means Venture Capitalist, but I'm doubting that to be your meaning. I like the Fuck Face part, btw.

It was Jon Stewart, and he pretty much steam rolled Don the Con in Twitter wars... The whole story is in the linky:
https://mypoliticalsanity.com/2016/11/29/jon-stewart-trump-and-the-twitter-war-of-2013/

And on the following night’s episode of The Daily Show, Jon displayed the above tweets, and said “Did you know Donald Trump’s birth name is Fuckface Von Clownstick?

Ah! Yes, I do recall hearing that before. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Chuck and Nance don't want to negotiate for UHC because it goes against their corporate backers. I would not be surprised, however, to see them eventually try to negotiate an end to Trumps assults on Obamacare. That would be a major sellout, too.

What's the point in negotiating with someone who won't honor the deal anyway?

It only means you haven't found the right deal yet. Don't forget that Trump also has others who he needs to satisfy with the deal.

But there no deal to be had because Squinty and Old Nana haven't asked for one on UHC.

Not finding the right deal is not an explanation for breaking the previous deals. These days the GOP isn't interested in negotiating, it's their way or the highway. If someone is foolish enough to make a deal they get screwed.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Except that once the trip was canceled there is no issue of safety/security.

not quite in order.
Trump did not cancel the trip, he canceled the Air Force jet.
He suggested a commercial flight.
Dems arranged commercial flights.
WH made sure everyone knew about the trip (and the hitting back part).
Then the security concerns msde the Dems cancel the trip.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

That's kind of strange to say just after negotiating a prison reform bill and a number of judgeships, among other things.

The prison bill goes back to the Obama Admin.

 

[funinspace]

Except that once the trip was canceled there is no issue of safety/security.

not quite in order.
Trump did not cancel the trip, he canceled the Air Force jet.
He suggested a commercial flight.
Dems arranged commercial flights.
WH made sure everyone knew about the trip (and the hitting back part).
Then the security concerns msde the Dems cancel the trip.

Ah, I didn't realize that. Yeah, then FFvC pretty much forced them to cancel with his BS security protocal breech.