Nearing Important 9/11 Anniversary To Be Happy About

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, there is one thing that gets lost in all of the noise and that usually consists of things that people forget, because they aren't thinking of them, but with the anniversary of 9/11 today, has reminded me that TF is nearing its 5 year anniversary since the last 9/11 CT thread. To be fair, it was a derail, but still, this board has managed to go nearly five since that derail was moved to Pseudoscience without mentioning that steel fails before it becomes molten, that a plane exploded in the towers (it wasn't just fire), you can't scale gravity, you can't model building floors with paper loops and washers, and that any observation of the towers collapsing "faster than free fall" would indicate a failed observation not evidence of a controlled demolition.

I believe fully 1/5 of my posts were in those darn threads! So, let's at least reflect that we have that much to be thankful for.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Those really were the most fun threads ever.

 

[PyramidHead]

Roses are red,

God lives in heaven,

 

[prideandfall]

#allbuildingsmatter

 

[RVonse]

Ive heard of trolls coming to a thread..
.but an OP troll?

Well if you're going to offer a big fat steak for me Jimmy, Im just going to have to bite down and start chewing.

How do you explain building 7 that was not even hit? Apparently a private group of experts has finally concluded that it was blown. They actually did the background analysis our own government did not.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/09/09/9-11-after-18-years/

And yes the article comes from PCR. But rather than talk about him it would be much more convincing (for me) if you can argue what he actually says with credibility

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ive heard of trolls coming to a thread..
.but an OP troll?

OP trolls happen all the time. Regardless, this wasn't designed to actually discuss nonsensical and repeatedly debunked 9/11 CT bullshit.

Well if you're going to offer a big fat steak for me Jimmy, Im just going to have to bite down and start chewing.

How do you explain building 7 that was not even hit?

Not hit by a plane you mean?

Meanwhile in the head of a 911 Truther:

W Admin A: We need to fight a war in Iraq.
W Admin B: Yeah, but how do we manage getting authority for it?
W Admin C: We can stage a terror attack and passive aggressively juxtaposition Hussein with the attack for two years.
W Admin A: Sounds great, but it'll need to be something big.
W Admin B: We could revisit the World Trade Towers and topple them by first flying planes into them and then doing a controlled demolition
W Admin A: Wouldn't that be overkill? Planes blowing up the towers would be a rather notable attack, kill hundreds maybe a thousand, and they'd need to take the building down anyway.
W Admin C: Nope, needs to look like the terrorists destroyed it.
W Admin B: Alright so we destroy Towers 1 and 2. Go it.
W Admin C: That won't be enough.
W Admin A: The towers are huge! Toppling those won't be enough?
W Admin C: Yeah. We should also take down building 7 as well.
W Admin B: I think Jenna has a point. What is a war rallying cry without losing Tower 7?
W Admin A: So three downed towers... are we flying a plane in WTC 7?
W Admin C: Don't be silly.

Apparently a private group of experts has finally concluded that it was blown. They actually did the background analysis our own government did not.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/09/09/9-11-after-18-years/

And yes the article comes from PCR. But rather than talk about him it would be much more convincing (for me) if you can argue what he actually says with credibility

Oh goody... more bullshit.

 

[RVonse]

Not bull shit. Just unanswered mysteries never followed up. Do you have any explanations to the following that have never been answered?;

1) The “Dancing Israelis” who turned out to be Israeli Mossad agents caught filming and celebrating the destruction of the twin towers. Arrested by police and released without investigation, they were not mentioned in the 911 Commission Report. Later on Israeli TV they said they were sent to New York to film the destruction of the twin towers. Allegedly, there was no advance warning of the event, but obviously the Israelis knew.

2)The alleged fundamentalist orthodox fanatical Muslims who were prepared to die to be martyrs, but who drank, drugged, and lived with strippers and prostitutes in Florida. They were the patsies paraded through flight schools and left a highly visible public record. They all flunked out and could not even fly small planes, but performed miraculous flight feats in their attacks on the WTC towers and Pentagon that military and civilian airline pilots say are beyond their own skills. These Saudi Arabians were being operated by US or Israeli intelligence to create a record to serve as a parallel patsy operation that could be used to cover up the false flag attack.

3)Numerous video cameras recorded whatever exploded at the Pentagon, but the FBI has refused to release them for 18 years. Clearly, the videos do not support the official story.

4) About half of the alleged hijackers have been found alive and well and deny that they had ever left their countries.

5) In 2001 no cell phone calls were possible from aircraft at the altitudes from which calls were reported.

6) The airliners that allegedly hit the twin towers were flimsy compared to the steel and concrete of the towers. The airliners would have smashed against the structure and fallen to the street below.

7) Pre-knowledge of 9/11 was widespread. The stocks of the two allegedly hijacked airlines were sold short prior to the event, resulting in large profits when the stocks fell in response to the hijackings. The short-sellers were swept under the carpet and not investigated.

8) FBI director Robert Mueller was instrumental in covering up for the false official story of 9/11, a story that has zero evidence in its behalf.

9) If a handful of young men with no intelligence service or government support can defeat the entire national security state of the United States and all of its NATO and Israeli allies and successfully attack with devastating results both New York and the Pentagon itself—the very symbol of American military supremacy—the Soviet Union could have wiped out the US and all of Europe without detection. Don’t you wonder how we survived the Soviet Union when the “Great American Superpower” was so easily defeated by a handful of young Saudi

10) The President of the United States refuses to testify before the 9/11 Commission unless he is accompanied by his handler, Vice President Cheney. Both refuse to testify under oath. The 9/11 Commission is oh-so-respectful to the distinguished president and vice president.

11) One member of the 9/11 Commission, a US Senator, resigned from the Commission, saying that “the fix is in.” After the Commission report was issued, the Commission chairman, vice chairman, and legal counsel wrote books in which they said that information was withheld from the Commission, that the Commission was lied to and considered referring the false testimony to the Justice (sic) Department for prosecution, and that “the Commission was set up to fail.” And not a peep from the controlled pressitute media whose only function is to deliver the controlled explanations that the ruling oligarchs want planted into Americans’ minds.


Oky docky Jimmy. Just a lot of tin foiling BS?

In a pigs eye that is.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Not bull shit. Just unanswered mysteries never followed up.

That also isn't true.

Do you have any explanations to the following that have never been answered?;

*sigh* You feel free to look for responses in the archives here.

1) The “Dancing Israelis” who turned out to be Israeli Mossad agents caught filming and celebrating the destruction of the twin towers. Arrested by police and released without investigation, they were not mentioned in the 911 Commission Report. Later on Israeli TV they said they were sent to New York to film the destruction of the twin towers. Allegedly, there was no advance warning of the event, but obviously the Israelis knew.

2)The alleged fundamentalist orthodox fanatical Muslims who were prepared to die to be martyrs, but who drank, drugged, and lived with strippers and prostitutes in Florida. They were the patsies paraded through flight schools and left a highly visible public record. They all flunked out and could not even fly small planes, but performed miraculous flight feats in their attacks on the WTC towers and Pentagon that military and civilian airline pilots say are beyond their own skills. These Saudi Arabians were being operated by US or Israeli intelligence to create a record to serve as a parallel patsy operation that could be used to cover up the false flag attack.

3)Numerous video cameras recorded whatever exploded at the Pentagon, but the FBI has refused to release them for 18 years. Clearly, the videos do not support the official story.

4) About half of the alleged hijackers have been found alive and well and deny that they had ever left their countries.

5) In 2001 no cell phone calls were possible from aircraft at the altitudes from which calls were reported.

6) The airliners that allegedly hit the twin towers were flimsy compared to the steel and concrete of the towers. The airliners would have smashed against the structure and fallen to the street below.

7) Pre-knowledge of 9/11 was widespread. The stocks of the two allegedly hijacked airlines were sold short prior to the event, resulting in large profits when the stocks fell in response to the hijackings. The short-sellers were swept under the carpet and not investigated.

8) FBI director Robert Mueller was instrumental in covering up for the false official story of 9/11, a story that has zero evidence in its behalf.

9) If a handful of young men with no intelligence service or government support can defeat the entire national security state of the United States and all of its NATO and Israeli allies and successfully attack with devastating results both New York and the Pentagon itself—the very symbol of American military supremacy—the Soviet Union could have wiped out the US and all of Europe without detection. Don’t you wonder how we survived the Soviet Union when the “Great American Superpower” was so easily defeated by a handful of young Saudi

10) The President of the United States refuses to testify before the 9/11 Commission unless he is accompanied by his handler, Vice President Cheney. Both refuse to testify under oath. The 9/11 Commission is oh-so-respectful to the distinguished president and vice president.

11) One member of the 9/11 Commission, a US Senator, resigned from the Commission, saying that “the fix is in.” After the Commission report was issued, the Commission chairman, vice chairman, and legal counsel wrote books in which they said that information was withheld from the Commission, that the Commission was lied to and considered referring the false testimony to the Justice (sic) Department for prosecution, and that “the Commission was set up to fail.” And not a peep from the controlled pressitute media whose only function is to deliver the controlled explanations that the ruling oligarchs want planted into Americans’ minds.


Oky docky Jimmy. Just a lot of tin foiling BS?

Yes, word for tin-foiled word.

 

[RVonse]

The lack of any real response really is telling.

Ive always been pursuaded by intelligence and logic. But there appears neither to be found when responding to certain questions.

Its like having a rainy day, but the government says it is sunny outside. And then some people like PCR say really? And then people like you say, Tinfoiler!, Tinfoiler! at the top of your lungs. No reasearch or pluasable explanations coming. Just mindless tinfoil screaming.

Thats what I think is bull shit.

Either put up some research or plausable answers or you dont have the right to call anyone anything.

 

[RVonse]

Who knows....maybe PCR really is a tinfoiler crackpot. I would allow that that is certainly possible.

But you have not done anything at all to convince of that Jimmy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Who knows....maybe PCR really is a tinfoiler crackpot. I would allow that that is certainly possible.

But you have not done anything at all to convince of that Jimmy.

I along with a number of posters posted volumes on this subject. From an idiot modeling a building using washers and paper loops, awful science, to endless misquoting / quote mining, like your quote mine of Richard Clarke (who wasn't a Senator), I'm sorry your plagiarized quote mine.

I'm not revisiting it again. The whole point of the OP was to revel in not having to endure the bullshit that is 9/11 Trutherism.

 

[RVonse]

We knew even less back then then we do today in terms of published research. But sadly no one will ever see any direct physical criminal evidence that was long ago carted away.

 

[ZiprHead]

Still seems to be going on here.:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

.
I'm not revisiting it again. The whole point of the OP was to revel in not having to endure the bullshit that is 9/11 Trutherism.

You are such a tease.

 

[Elixir]

I've actually read that the video of planes hitting the WTC were CGI fabrications.
Moon landings were faked too.

Amazing what people's love of conspiracy theories can do to their god-given powers of reasoning.

 

[RVonse]

I've actually read that the video of planes hitting the WTC were CGI fabrications.
Moon landings were faked too.

Amazing what people's love of conspiracy theories can do to their god-given powers of reasoning.

There is a huge difference betwren the moon landings and WTC. The first has actual evidence left on the moon and samples brought back. And the later just has what the government told us and what Jimmy believes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You know, I gave the list a look because I just don't know better and noticed something. A lot of it doesn't consist of specific claim, are baseless assumptions turned conclusions, or they have normal explanations.

1 oh that baseless Israeli thing. 2 is a presumption about what terrorists do before committing acts of suicide. 3 seems to ignore their complaint in 6 and again uses 'lack of information' as evidence of something that has no connection with their claim. 4 is an oldie but goodie denial regarding how the "terrorists" are still "alive". 5 is just false as some cell phones could call from 10 miles high at the time. 6 is a powerfully ignorant presumption as it ignores a few things like simple matter of physics (F/A) and video evidence that something flew into the building and a plane is just a wide rocket with wings. 7 seems to forget that investing in airline stock going up in 2001 was a dumb idea. 8 is just a bald face baseless accusation that concludes its own claim. 9 is baseless presumption. 10 is easily explained away because the W Administration completely dropped the ball on terrorism and was concentrating on missile defense and tax cuts, even when Clarke was waving a red flag. 11 mistakes Richard Clarke for a Senator and quote mines him at that, as his quote was regarding testimony regarding Rice, which again was all about the W Admin trying to save face.

18 years and the arguments still suck.

 

[SimpleDon]

Well, there is one thing that gets lost in all of the noise and that usually consists of things that people forget, because they aren't thinking of them, but with the anniversary of 9/11 today, has reminded me that TF is nearing its 5 year anniversary since the last 9/11 CT thread. To be fair, it was a derail, but still, this board has managed to go nearly five since that derail was moved to Pseudoscience without mentioning that steel fails before it becomes molten, that a plane exploded in the towers (it wasn't just fire), you can't scale gravity, you can't model building floors with paper loops and washers, and that any observation of the towers collapsing "faster than free fall" would indicate a failed observation not evidence of a controlled demolition.

I believe fully 1/5 of my posts were in those darn threads! So, let's at least reflect that we have that much to be thankful for.

I remember that someone complained that they would believe the towers were intentionally dropped by demolition charges as long as no one could tell him what the floors weighed because every floor had to weigh the same as every other floor.

Those were the days when rampant racism, misogyny, and homophobia were things to hide and not to parade about in public. When clowns were only seen in the circus, not in the White House and in Congress.