NFL jumping the shark and kissing #BLM's ass

[thebeave]

Am I the only person still stuck on someone getting stopped over a seat belt?

Here in California, you are required by law to wear a seatbelt. You can get pulled over and fined. It happens a lot. It is a fairly new law here, so maybe its still legal to drive without one where you live. So, its not particularly confounding to many of us here on this forum.

 

[Derec]

Am I the only person still stuck on someone getting stopped over a seat belt?

Why are you stuck on that ? Criminals are bye and large dumb and police routinely use minor traffic offenses as an excuse to pull over people acting suspiciously and that often leads to a far more serious crime taking place. I think in this instance the guy had a lot of weed, was probably distributing and had a dodgy gun in his possession.

Timothy McVeigh got caught during a traffic stop. Licence plate violation if I remember correctly.

 

[Derec]

Am I the only person still stuck on someone getting stopped over a seat belt?

I believe so. People get stopped for seat belt violations all the time. I got stopped for it over a decade ago, as I said, and the fine was something like $15.
There is even a "Click It or Ticket" campaign in multiple states including Florida.

 

[Derec]

Has there ever been a discussion of a police shooting/killing of an unarmed black male where it wasn’t completely justified in your books?

I do not think JJ can be reasonably described as "unarmed".

Including the shooting of a child whose biggest crime seems to have been being tall for his age while black?

Stop derailing - we have been discussing that particular case for way too long now!
What do you think about this JJ guy breaking free from the police officer and diving into the car where he had his gun?

 

[Derec]

While you may certainly conflate your illusions with reality, no one else is required to accept your views as gospel.

Your assumption that this victim decided to shoot it out is just that - an assumption.

Police officers must make split-second decisions in real time, and do not have the benefit of Monday morning quarterbacking.
And what do you think he was doing breaking free of the officer leading him to his vehicle and diving into his own car where he, as he admitted, had an illegally concealed Glock 26 within easy reach?

I will repeat "Presumption should not be nine tenths of the laws".

Again, in the real world decisions must be made in real time, which means you cannot wait until say a suspect grabs his gun and starts shooting.
The cop knew there was a gun and that the suspect dove where his gun was located. What more do you want?

 

[Derec]

Other than the man said he had a gun illegally stored

I could see a suspect lying and saying he had no gun when he had one. I really cannot see the purpose of saying that he had a gun in his jacket pocket when he really had no gun.

is no mention of the gun being found in your presentation.

Have you even watched the video? There is a gun visible at 10:21.
It can also be seen in this photo.

Maybe you should point to other than presumptions for a basis for a clean shoot.

Right back at ya!

Have you ever been to Tallahassee, enjoyed the culture there, met any of the babes who posed nude in Subway there,

Can't say I have had the pleasure. Is that a common sight in Tallahassee? In any case, JJ was kiilled in Jacksonville, 160 miles away.

met Sheriff Hammill who said the person sitting on the curb deserved having his foot run over by a redneck or have you ever enjoyed the early days of streaking in Tallahassee.

A quick Google search reveals that the Sheriff of Leon County, GA is one Walter McNeil. Who is this Hammill? An ex-sheriff?
In any case, what does Tallahassee have to do with anything?

Of course not. Do you know that French town is a clay road section of Tallahassee moated off, reserved for blacks, in a gully between FSU and the State Capital? No, you don't.

Reserved for blacks? According to this, only a slight majority of Frenchtownies are black.

But you know he had a gun because he said he had one stored illegally.

Also because one was found on him.
And you don't think he had a gun, despite all that, because of your anti-police prejudices.

Any you know he was diving into the car to get the gun so he could shoot the cop.

It is a reasonable conclusion based on his actions and the location of the gun in his jacket pocket, i.e. within easy reach once he dove into the vehicle. Did you even watch the video or do you automatically assume police are in the wrong?

And, my my, a black

A black?

who lives on basically nothing

How do you know that? Are you assuming that just because he is black he must be poor? How racist of you!

might have marijuana in his car because he supplies students and government officials near where he lives. Oh the shame. Obviously a drugged reefer.

I think marijuana should be legal, but in Florida it is not (except medicinal marijuana) and JJ didn't want to go to jail on drug and weapons charges.

We can't suspect cops are just a bit likely to take advantage of these people because they are trapped in white lawed, white zoned red clay racist Tallahassee.

This happened in Jacksonville. And the officer is black.

Obviously you haven't woke yet to the transparency of your racist screeds.

LMAO! You are the racist one, assuming that a young black man must automatically be poor.

BTW I live in Oregon where we know about marijuana and booze and crack. We plead in prayer every night that our lost ones get on Mary jane 'cause the other stuff is down right deadly.
That little man was an entrepreneur keeping students safely happy.

Al Capone was an entrepreneur too. As I said, I think marijuana should be legal. That does not change the fact that this shooting was justified.

 

[laughing dog]

While you may certainly conflate your illusions with reality, no one else is required to accept your views as gospel.

Your assumption that this victim decided to shoot it out is just that - an assumption.

Police officers must make split-second decisions in real time, and do not have the benefit of Monday morning quarterbacking.
And what do you think he was doing breaking free of the officer leading him to his vehicle and diving into his own car where he, as he admitted, had an illegally concealed Glock 26 within easy reach?

I will repeat "Presumption should not be nine tenths of the laws".

Again, in the real world decisions must be made in real time, which means you cannot wait until say a suspect grabs his gun and starts shooting.
The cop knew there was a gun and that the suspect dove where his gun was located. What more do you want?

Three observations. First, you have no problem with”Monday morning quarterbacking” whenever it suits your needs, so double standard duly noted. Second, a gun in hand is a threat, the presumption of a gun in hand is not. Which leads to the third observation- good for the NFL not falling fir bigoted or police adoration crapola.

 

[Derec]

Or perhaps they’re putting social justice before profit at the behest of the players.

But this case has nothing to do with "social justice". Does Officer Josue Garriga's black life not matter?

Getting paid millions to do what you love while your brothers die in the street can gnaw are a person.

This automatic taking sides with black criminals no matter the circumstances is at the core of what's wrong with the Black Lives Movement in the first place.
And are only people with a similar skin color to be our "brothers"? No brotherhood of all mankind at the NFL, I see.

Fans will always be fans. They’ll be back. Think people who love going to games aren’t chomping at the bit to get back to their crowded stadiums?

The expression is "champing at the bit".
And I can definitely see racial (and let's be frank racist) politics by many NFL players and teams will turn off many fans, enough that they will think twice before spending over a hundred dollars on a handegg ticket.

You really think the owners are “clueless”? They don’t know what you’ve got all figured out? Please.

I think in this instance they are clueless. Jamie Johnson is not somebody who should be honored.

 

[Derec]

Three observations. First, you have no problem with”Monday morning quarterbacking” whenever it suits your needs, so double standard duly noted. Second, a gun in hand is a threat, the presumption of a gun in hand is not. Which leads to the third observation- good for the NFL not falling fir bigoted or police adoration crapola.

Three observations, three strikes. You're out. Wrong sportsball metaphor, but whatever.

 

[laughing dog]

Three observations. First, you have no problem with”Monday morning quarterbacking” whenever it suits your needs, so double standard duly noted. Second, a gun in hand is a threat, the presumption of a gun in hand is not. Which leads to the third observation- good for the NFL not falling fir bigoted or police adoration crapola.

Three observations, three strikes. You're out. Wrong sportsball metaphor, but whatever.

Clearly the NFL does not care to cater to people who feel like you. Unless the owners see a reduction in their bottom lines, people who feel like you are just going to have to get used to having your sensitivities upset.

Fortunately for civilization, your views on proper police actions are in descendancy.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Stopped for a seat belt violation? Man, that officer got good eyes.

Well, they don't generally hire Stevie Wonder types to the police force.

You’ve been stopped for a seat belt violation?

Yes. Got a $15 fine too. I did not try to shoot the cop, so I'm still here.

But what is your opinion about NFL honoring somebody who tried to shoot a police officer and another somebody who participated in a drive by because he had a "beef" with the victim?

The BLM movement is hurting the NFL. No doubt about it. TV ratings are down. The salary cap will go down. Player's average salary will probably 10% or so next year to the $2.25 million range. They'll survive.

 

[fromderinside]

We can't suspect cops are just a bit likely to take advantage of these people because they are trapped in white lawed, white zoned red clay racist Tallahassee.

This happened in Jacksonville. And the officer is black.

So he's identified by you as a former FAMU student (one of the two state universities in Tallahassee) but he's arrested in, a more Racist urban place, Jacksonville.

OK I lived there too, well stationed on USS Farragut at Mayport, back in the day. More racist by far than Tallahassee. Much worse for persons of color. Statistically not likely well off given statistics of that town. My presumptions seem better than yours even though you've pored over this guy with ill intent.

Sorry. Shooting was not justified. There was no need to get him out of his car because he had a minor violation other than the cop was using "he's one of them" reasoning.

I've been stopped many times for minor infractions over 65 years of driving including for failure to have my seat belt fastened. Even when I was in a junky car just off Sunset Blvd with a young girl, my daughter, in the car, I've never been called upon to provide any more than DL and registration and I've never been required to get out of the car even as a teen. In fact cops prefer those stopped to stay in car, engine off, with hands in plain sight. In fact when I jumped out of my car when a drunken kid cut me off the on Ventura at Taft High School, the cop politely guided me back to my car where I presented necessary papers, made my complaint and we all went on with our day.

The day that some person of color can repeat what I just reported of my interactions with police they need to keep pointing out the differences with which they are treated by authorities.

The stories are so different for those not obviously from northern Europe. It pisses me off. When those jerkoffs with badges treat those of different backgrounds like they treat their 'own' then I'll begin to nod my head and say BL matter marches are no longer needed.

Until you understand that Derec and modify your witch hunting behavior you will be imagined in my pointy little head as a rabid racist.

 

[barbos]

https://news.wfsu.org/wfsu-local-ne...l-jso-shooting-of-jamee-johnson-was-justified

"Inexplicably, and for reasons we can only speculate, Johnson shoved Officer Garriga in the chest and jumped headfirst into his car toward the very gun he had just described to Officer Garriga. Officer Garriga dove after Johnson to prevent him from accessing the gun. During the struggle, Johnson placed the car in drive and crashed through a fence into a nearby yard, dragging Officer Garriga along the way. While Officer Garriga was inside the car struggling with Johnson, the struggle turned deadly when Johnson grasped his gun and lifted the gun toward Officer Garriga’s face. Officer Garriga immediately tried to hide behind Johnson’s head, to avoid being shot. Officer Garriga pushed himself out of the car and, believing Johnson was armed, fired until Johnson no longer posed a threat."

 

[Metaphor]

Am I the only person still stuck on someone getting stopped over a seat belt?

Here in California, you are required by law to wear a seatbelt. You can get pulled over and fined. It happens a lot. It is a fairly new law here, so maybe its still legal to drive without one where you live. So, its not particularly confounding to many of us here on this forum.

?!? A fairly new law?

Since 1972, it's been compulsory to wear a seat belt in every Australian state.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Am I the only person still stuck on someone getting stopped over a seat belt?

Here in California, you are required by law to wear a seatbelt. You can get pulled over and fined. It happens a lot. It is a fairly new law here, so maybe its still legal to drive without one where you live. So, its not particularly confounding to many of us here on this forum.

?!? A fairly new law?

Since 1972, it's been compulsory to wear a seat belt in every Australian state.

I believe in Ohio seatbelt laws are still a secondary offense, meaning you have to be pulled over for some other violation first. Ohio is very different from California: motorcyclists without helmets, adults smoking in vehicles with children. Live free and die.

 

[thebeave]

?!? A fairly new law?

Since 1972, it's been compulsory to wear a seat belt in every Australian state.

I believe in Ohio seatbelt laws are still a secondary offense, meaning you have to be pulled over for some other violation first. Ohio is very different from California: motorcyclists without helmets, adults smoking in vehicles with children. Live free and die.

Here is the breakdown by state for the seatbelt laws:

https://askinglot.com/goto/570735A6

In California and Florida (where JJ was pulled over), you can be pulled over solely for not wearing a seatbelt (called primary enforcement). In Ohio, you have to be pulled over for something else first (secondary enforcement). California started out in 1986 with secondary enforcement, but switched to primary enforcement later (seems to me it was mid 2000's... I can't seem to find the exact date for some reason). I think Jimmy H. was unfamilar with primary enforcement, so was probably insinuating that JJ was pulled over for being black and that the seatbelt violation was just a ruse by the cop.

 

[J842P]

We can't suspect cops are just a bit likely to take advantage of these people because they are trapped in white lawed, white zoned red clay racist Tallahassee.

This happened in Jacksonville. And the officer is black.

So he's identified by you as a former FAMU student (one of the two state universities in Tallahassee) but he's arrested in, a more Racist urban place, Jacksonville.

OK I lived there too, well stationed on USS Farragut at Mayport, back in the day. More racist by far than Tallahassee. Much worse for persons of color. Statistically not likely well off given statistics of that town. My presumptions seem better than yours even though you've pored over this guy with ill intent.

Sorry. Shooting was not justified. There was no need to get him out of his car because he had a minor violation other than the cop was using "he's one of them" reasoning.

I've been stopped many times for minor infractions over 65 years of driving including for failure to have my seat belt fastened. Even when I was in a junky car just off Sunset Blvd with a young girl, my daughter, in the car, I've never been called upon to provide any more than DL and registration and I've never been required to get out of the car even as a teen. In fact cops prefer those stopped to stay in car, engine off, with hands in plain sight. In fact when I jumped out of my car when a drunken kid cut me off the on Ventura at Taft High School, the cop politely guided me back to my car where I presented necessary papers, made my complaint and we all went on with our day.


The day that some person of color can repeat what I just reported of my interactions with police they need to keep pointing out the differences with which they are treated by authorities.

The stories are so different for those not obviously from northern Europe. It pisses me off. When those jerkoffs with badges treat those of different backgrounds like they treat their 'own' then I'll begin to nod my head and say BL matter marches are no longer needed.

Until you understand that Derec and modify your witch hunting behavior you will be imagined in my pointy little head as a rabid racist.

I know many people busted for smoking weed in their car, and asked to get out of the vehicle and their vehicle searched. Most of them white.

Anyone, of any color, who tells a cop that they have a gun and then, in the process of getting arrested, jumps into their vehicle is very likely to get shot. Regardless of color. Indeed, many white people get shot by the police every year. So please, try harder not to talk shit and ignore the specific circumstances of this video. It doesn't do anyone any good.

Oh, any person of color here, I've been stopped for minor infractions and let go after being ticked or given a warning. My father has too.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Am I the only person still stuck on someone getting stopped over a seat belt?

In most states, it's only considered a secondary violation (you can't be pulled over for that, but if you aren't wearing it when pulled over, it can be added to the ticket). Not sure about FL.

Cellphones used to fall into that category, but most states have changed those laws.

 

[Derec]

So he's identified by you as a former FAMU student (one of the two state universities in Tallahassee)

Hence your mistake.

but he's arrested in, a more Racist urban place, Jacksonville.

Is everything "racist" for you? You are like Uncle Leo.

OK I lived there too, well stationed on USS Farragut at Mayport, back in the day.

Back in what day, I wonder. Or, to put it another way, what iteration of USS Farragut did you serve on?

More racist by far than Tallahassee. Much worse for persons of color.

In what way specifically? Also, how recent is your experience anyway?

Statistically not likely well off given statistics of that town. My presumptions seem better than yours even though you've pored over this guy with ill intent.

No ill intent. Just reality. And you are still assuming he was poor despite not knowing much about him. In any case, he is driving a late model Mazda 6, so that seems middle class to me, and definitely not poor.

Sorry. Shooting was not justified. There was no need to get him out of his car because he had a minor violation other than the cop was using "he's one of them" reasoning.

"he's one of us", you mean? The cop is also black.
It was a minor violation, but the officer observed him acting very nervous. Police officer should use their instincts because traffic stops even for minor violations can lead to uncovering more serious crimes. Timothy McVeigh for example was stopped for a traffic violation. That's how he was arrested. But I guess that's acceptable in that instance because he was white.

And beside the question of why he was asked to step out, once he was out and the police officer knew about the gun, it was completely justified to shoot him as he dove into the car and tried to retrieve it. I do not think JJ was evil or deserved to die. But he made a fatally stupid mistake and paid with his life. Tragic yes, but justified, an JJ is not somebody who should be honored by NFL or anybody else. Officer Garriga's life matters too.

I've been stopped many times for minor infractions over 65 years of driving including for failure to have my seat belt fastened. Even when I was in a junky car just off Sunset Blvd with a young girl, my daughter, in the car, I've never been called upon to provide any more than DL and registration and I've never been required to get out of the car even as a teen. In fact cops prefer those stopped to stay in car, engine off, with hands in plain sight. In fact when I jumped out of my car when a drunken kid cut me off the on Ventura at Taft High School, the cop politely guided me back to my car where I presented necessary papers, made my complaint and we all went on with our day.

Sometimes cops want you to stay in the car, sometimes they want you to get out.
I reckon you were never transporting dealing quantities of illegal drugs and an illegal weapon in the car either, so you had no reason to act nervous and sweat like a whore in church, as we say down South.

The day that some person of color can repeat what I just reported of my interactions with police they need to keep pointing out the differences with which they are treated by authorities.

Nothing that happened to JJ happened because he was black. It happened because he had a lot of drugs and because he was carrying his Glock 26 illegally.

Until you understand that Derec and modify your witch hunting behavior you will be imagined in my pointy little head as a rabid racist.

BS, dude.

 

[ruby sparks]

I know many people busted for smoking weed in their car, and asked to get out of the vehicle and their vehicle searched. Most of them white.

Anyone, of any color, who tells a cop that they have a gun and then, in the process of getting arrested, jumps into their vehicle is very likely to get shot. Regardless of color. Indeed, many white people get shot by the police every year. So please, try harder not to talk shit and ignore the specific circumstances of this video. It doesn't do anyone any good.

I would tend to largely agree with that.

And generally-speaking, if (if) we were to be talking about unreasonable or unfair police behaviour in certain situations, it seems to me to be a question of trying to have a balanced and reasonable view. For example, I personally would be prepared to agree, based on what I know (from afar) that given otherwise identical circumstances, blacks seem, overall, to be at least somewhat more likely than whites to be unfairly or unreasonably treated by police in the USA, but that they have nothing like a monopoly on the experience. Which is to say that all other things being equal, I think I would much more often rather be white than black when encountering the police in the USA (and probably here too). There may be exceptions to that.