Nothing to do with Islam ...

[Derec]

Another Christmas season, another Christmas market terrorist attack courtesy of the Religion of Peace^TM. '

Christmas market attack: France declares Strasbourg shooting to be act of terrorism

The culprit is Moroccan Cherif Chekatt, 29. "Known to police", as these jihadists usually are.

When will Europe learn?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Learn what? This guy is from France according to that article. Trump tried to turn it into an immigration issue, but is this guy an immigrant?

 

[Derec]

Learn what? This guy is from France according to that article. Trump tried to turn it into an immigration issue, but is this guy an immigrant?

He is a Moroccan anchor baby. Born in France, but not French.

Millions of Muslim mass migrants streaming into EU as we speak will have children born in EU too.

 

[untermensche]

Nunez said the suspect became radicalized during one of his many stints in prison and was known to security services.

A young man radicalized by prison.

What does this say about millions who were not in prison?

We should put them into one?

 

[Derec]

A young man radicalized by prison.
What does this say about millions who were not in prison?
We should put them into one?

No. But let's not invite millions of unvetted mass migrants to flood into Europe (or US). It's a recipe for disaster.

 

[laughing dog]

Learn what? This guy is from France according to that article. Trump tried to turn it into an immigration issue, but is this guy an immigrant?

He is a Moroccan anchor baby. Born in France, but not French.

He is a French citizen. So he is French.


According to this report (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/12/cherif-chekatt-everything-need-know-strasbourg-terror-suspect/)

Investigators are trying to establish whether Mr Chekatt travelled to Syria or Iraq to join an Islamist group, or whether he was radicalised entirely in France, according to sources close to the case.

. Once again, it appears your bigotry is making you jump the gun. If it turns out that he was radicalized in France, then Mr. Chekatt would be home grown killer.

 

[untermensche]

A young man radicalized by prison.
What does this say about millions who were not in prison?
We should put them into one?

No. But let's not invite millions of unvetted mass migrants to flood into Europe (or US). It's a recipe for disaster.

Actually it's a recipe for growth by all involved.

 

[Jarhyn]

My money is on the bet that he is an angry loner who blames his percieved unattractiveness of body for his failures despite the intense unattractiveness of his personality, and is angry that society has rejected him, and that he was attracted to hyperconservative thought, which led him to the conclusion that he should burn everything down to keep everything the way he percieved it should be. Just like the MAGA bomber.

 

[Derec]

My money is on the bet that he is an angry loner who blames his percieved unattractiveness of body for his failures despite the intense unattractiveness of his personality, and is angry that society has rejected him, and that he was attracted to hyperconservative thought, which led him to the conclusion that he should burn everything down to keep everything the way he percieved it should be. Just like the MAGA bomber.

The MAGA bomber was goofy looking. This guy looks normal.

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Actually it's a recipe for growth by all involved.

Especially those killed by Islamic terrorists.

 

[Derec]

He is a French citizen. So he is French.

Those are not the same thing. I am not saying immigrants can't become French, but it's not automatic based on piece of paper or place or birth either. If he identified more with Morocco or a desired Islamic Caliphate than with France, then he certainly was not French.
It's like the Khadr terror family. They got Canadian citizenship but used it only to get free healthcare or to use Canadian citizenship to get them out of a jam. But they spent most of their time waging jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

According to this report (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/12/cherif-chekatt-everything-need-know-strasbourg-terror-suspect/)

Investigators are trying to establish whether Mr Chekatt travelled to Syria or Iraq to join an Islamist group, or whether he was radicalised entirely in France, according to sources close to the case.

. Once again, it appears your bigotry is making you jump the gun. If it turns out that he was radicalized in France, then Mr. Chekatt would be home grown killer.

He may be "home grown" but he is still an Islamic terrorist.
Europe has been islamicized already to the extent that there are many Islamists in Europe, including France, that can radicalize other Muslims. From a Reuters article:

The disclosure that Chekatt was on a security watchlist will raise questions over possible intelligence failures, though some 26,000 individuals suspected of posing a security risk to France are on the “S File” list.
Of these, about 10,000 are believed to have been radicalized, sometimes in fundamentalist Salafist Muslim mosques, in jail or abroad.

Radical Salafist mosques are relatively common in Europe. Given the prevalence of Islam in Europe, Muslims living in Europe no longer have to travel abroad to get radicalized.

 

[laughing dog]

Those are not the same thing. I am not saying immigrants can't become French, but it's not automatic based on piece of paper or place or birth either. If he identified more with Morocco or a desired Islamic Caliphate than with France, then he certainly was not French.

He was born and raised in France. That makes him French.

He may be "home grown" but he is still an Islamic terrorist.

Which makes your bigoted and boring anti-immigrant spiel irrelevant.

 

[untermensche]

Actually it's a recipe for growth by all involved.

Especially those killed by Islamic terrorists.

Sure.

We can look at a glass 99.99% full and say it is empty.

 

[Derec]

We can look at a glass 99.99% full and say it is empty.

I see nothing at all positive in rapidly increasing number of Muslims in Europe.

So yes, the proverbial glass is bone-dry.

I really do not look forward to this in our future:

 

[Derec]

He was born and raised in France. That makes him French.

You are confusing legal status (citizenship) and place of birth with identity, which to a large extent has to do with how he sees himself.
Sure, he may have been raised in France, but was he raised French or perhaps Moroccan?

Which makes your bigoted and boring anti-immigrant spiel irrelevant.

It's not "anti-immigrant". It's anti uncritical "come one, come all" attitude toward migration.
Just because some immigration is good, does not mean that all immigration is good.

 

[untermensche]

We can look at a glass 99.99% full and say it is empty.

I see nothing at all positive in rapidly increasing number of Muslims in Europe.

When they say "nothing" you know they are a worthless bigot to be despised.

Your ilk is the problem with humanity.

It always has been the problem.

The haters with no reason to hate.

The haters that focus on the 0.01% and ignore the 99.99%

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Derec, you may find it reassuring to know that we now have Halal meat shops and mosques all over in Ontario but we also still have the biggest octoberfest outside of Germany and have Rib Festivals all over the place and marijuana has just been legalized, while booze fws freely and police have made it policy not to prosecute prostitution. The Muslims have come and we are not being forced to convert.

 

[laughing dog]

He was born and raised in France. That makes him French.

You are confusing legal status (citizenship) and place of birth with identity, which to a large extent has to do with how he sees himself.
Sure, he may have been raised in France, but was he raised French or perhaps Moroccan?

Thank you for tacitly acknowledging your claim the he is not French is based purely on your conjecture.

It's not "anti-immigrant".

It is bigoted and anti-immigrant. And since this man is not an immigrant, it makes your comments irrelevant.

 

[Tammuz]

When will Europe learn?

Europe is not a country, though many Americans seem to treat it like one.

I recall that some Americans thought "Europe" was hypocritical in that the Danish government defended the right to freedom of expression for cartoonists, but that Austria at the same time criminalized Holocaust denial. It's not like these have anything to do with each other, as these are two different countries with different laws. While I am certainly more sympathetic to Danish laws in this case, I can't really claim that Austria, or "Europe", is hypocritical for having other laws, even though I disagree with the Austrian laws.

 

[J842P]

When will Europe learn?

Europe is not a country, though many Americans seem to treat it like one.

I recall that some Americans thought "Europe" was hypocritical in that the Danish government defended the right to freedom of expression for cartoonists, but that Austria at the same time criminalized Holocaust denial. It's not like these have anything to do with each other, as these are two different countries with different laws. While I am certainly more sympathetic to Danish laws in this case, I can't really claim that Austria, or "Europe", is hypocritical for having other laws, even though I disagree with the Austrian laws.

Derec is a European immigrant.