http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...siness-and-everybody-is-happy?detail=facebook
This sort of thing shows that the problem was real and is being solved.
This sort of thing shows that the problem was real and is being solved.
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Obamacare kills another clinic
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fromderinside
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Whew. I thought ......
Surely there are poor who don't know they need treatment or meds that haven't signed up. How can we get them to get help?
Surely there are poor who don't know they need treatment or meds that haven't signed up. How can we get them to get help?
Why would you close a free clinic? Was it losing too much money?
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Lost too many patients -- to "government controlled healthcare."
No doubt disposed of by the "death panels."
No doubt disposed of by the "death panels."
When the patients quit coming there's no reason to keep it open.
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...and the point is missed again. They closed the clinic because those destitute who knew they needed help quit coming because now they could get better help for free. Now its time to get those who are in need of medical treatment but have no idea they are in need and can get help to get help in non-big brother settings. If it looks like the corner of a 7-11 they might come. OK?
Look at the success of Lawyer Dogs.
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Yes, I can see the real social problem of non-profit expressions of compassionate charity and volunteerism. Why let that sort of noxious attitude spread when we can have the taxpayer can foot the bill?
Of course, I suppose someone will be writing another thread soon on how 'the lack of clinics' also demonstrated that the problem was real. (Methinks it is rolling eyes time).
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What type of medical care do you imagine such free clinic provided? Chemo infusions? Surgical procedures necessitating a sterile OR, the services of an anesthesiologist, and post op care necessitating several days under 24/7 medical monitoring ? Maybe an ICU? How about a NICU too? A Brain Trauma Unit maybe? Maybe equipped with the technology necessary for imaging procedures? Do you have any idea how many specialized licensed health care providers such services would require?
It is about the reality check, Max, that those free clinics usually can only provide basic care. Do you also imagine that their volunteer physicians pay out of pocket the cost of the pharma drugs they prescribe?
Are you expecting those free clinics to "foot the bill" out of the pocket of all their volunteer health care providers to purchase and maintain a PET Scanner? "foot the bill" out of their pocket for just about every pharma based protocol to treat emergent illnesses?I do not...but of course I work in health care.
It is a fact that human resources can now be redirected towards medical practices and facilities where the previously non insured and under insured medically needy can now benefit of services thanks to their coverage contracted via the AHCA Exchanges. It is a fact that States which expanded Medicaid eligibility have reduced the number of medically needy persons who were previously left without coverage due to their financial limitations.
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Isn't there nothing preventing people from donating to hospitals currently? Except greed, I mean. Clearly, everyone would be willing to donate to hospitals eventually. Somehow.
You're young, aren't you?
You seem to know nothing of ongoing medical issues--you see it as if a problem occurs you get it treated and that's that.
The clinics provide *SOME* of what people need. A free clinic does nothing to help you with services that it's not capable of providing. They may have the simple x-ray, they won't have the more complex stuff. They won't have the capability to do surgery.
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The most noxious attitude that I'd like to stop from spreading right now is your pre-emptive eyerolling.
The ideals of charity and volunteerism have been around in the US for at least a century. If all it took was examples of charity and volunteerism to shore up all of the shortcomings of a capitalist economic system surely a hundred years should be enough time for it to have fixed almost all of our social ills, right?
Besides, it's not like anyone is ever said volunteerism and charity are a bad thing. I fully expect the volunteers and donors that have helped free clinics will continue to do so only in charities in their communities that actually need the help. It's a reallocation of effort to other social needs.
Further, as has been pointed out to you countless times, when the government takes over health care in a country and it is all covered by tax payers the health of the population is better and resources are allocated more efficiently than the US for profit system. Having tax payers pay for health care is not a blight on humanity. Get over it.
Okay, Obamacare made a free clinic superfluous. Is this good or bad?