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Part of why the FCC can't stop robocalls

The Justice Department needs to crack down on this. I’ve had enough of the spam calls and text messages.
 
I have not looked into it, but to me, if it is not there already, the way to stop it is open it up to private suits; awarding attorney fees for prevailing plaintiffs. Lawsuits can be wonderful regulators.
 
90% of the calls to our home phone are spam. We don't answer unless the caller Id shows someone we know and even then we are likely to let the answering machine take it. It's been like this for years. Do not call registry is useless.

I have recently been getting a lot more spam on my cell. I hardly ever give out my cell number. If the call is not in my contacts I don't answer and I have purposely not activated voicemail.

Anyone i know who I may have forgotten to put jn my contacts they likely also have my email and can get me that way.

I have a land line number that connects to my skype account that I use for working at home. Remote employee. I hope they don't find that number.

The telecom industry really needs to get a handle on this WITHOUT charging me extra per month. Congress will never deal with it.
 
We are all nothing more than Russian serfs who are here to serve the corporations and their endless pursuit of profits. We work to pay our phone bills to give these same corporations the free privileges to bother us with their advertising. And if these same services should fail we also give these same corporations our time and freedom wading through their ridiculous robot system to get tech assistance.

I see none of it getting better.
 
I’ve received numerous calls pertaining to taking a cruise. The initial number that pops up is a randomly generated cell number that is seldomly a good number. That’s why they are almost always disconnected. A forth party makes initial contact that supposedly has no connection to the third party who would initiate the sales pitch; hence, it’s always why you’re transferred if immediately you’re tagged as interested.
 
If everyone refused to do business with the spammers, it would eventually stop.
 
If everyone refused to do business with the spammers, it would eventually stop.

Not really, because a 99.9% rejection rate would still likely be profitable due to the lack of any significant cost differential that and a 50% rejection rate and you're never going to get 100% participation.

Maybe something like the an international agreement to start charging a 10th of a cent for each call placed. If you make 1000 calls in a month, you're out a dollar. If a robocaller makes 1000 calls a minute, that's an additional $60/hour added to their expenses and this eliminates the viability of their business model.
 
If everyone refused to do business with the spammers, it would eventually stop.

Not really, because a 99.9% rejection rate would still likely be profitable due to the lack of any significant cost differential that and a 50% rejection rate and you're never going to get 100% participation.

Maybe something like the an international agreement to start charging a 10th of a cent for each call placed. If you make 1000 calls in a month, you're out a dollar. If a robocaller makes 1000 calls a minute, that's an additional $60/hour added to their expenses and this eliminates the viability of their business model.

Personally, I think we need to update our last-mile telephone switching infrastructure to require caller ID metadata to be a signed transaction, else be sourced through the telephone switching network itself, and if a company robocalls with a scam, *revoke the certificate for the number*.

We already use certificate signing for cell transmission (this is how a SIM chip actually works).

The transaction would go something like this:

Telephone in house signals put to branch switch (land line). Branch switch sees which port is making call, and assigns signed caller ID metadata. All handling of that data from there on requires a signed ID that validates with the public key authority belonging to the trunk provider to retain the metadata, else the call is flagged and dropped, with the company dispatched to investigate the spur where the bogus metadata originated, possibly deactivating the switch port.

For telephony, everything gets a lot easier, since this signature could originate on the end-user telephony application rather than the switch.

Of course with the extent of such a rollout costs would be high... But they're the fucking phone company. They have the money to afford that.

Requiring that metadata be signed would solve this without any financial structure changes that would harm businesses.
 
I nominate Jarhyn to head the FCC.

Yeah, never gonna happen tho :'(

My platform:

• From a carrier perspective all data must be anonymous and neutrally handled, except data specifically provided to secure service (such as call ID metadata).

• Any provision of network connectivity to other private individuals is a "communication service (common carrier)". This includes carriers using any allocated controlled radio frequency band.

• Communications services must be fully structurally and financially independent of any entity that serves data within them.

• Providers of closed services (such as cable television) who wish to also provide communications services must separate these business entities. It is a clear conflict of interest and monopoly power. This will be enforced after six months, to allow suitable divestment and division of business interests. No grandfathering. No exceptions.

• If you wish to provide television service In addition to data services, this must be over the same shared data connection, as independently as anyone els.. No limitations may be specified for common access to the platform, and only billed on a cost basis.

• Costs for data services may only be calculated to be the minimum used for the band. Grants will be available for specific rollouts of infrastructural lines. The FCC will ask for public input on these policies. The FCC will commission an independent organization under the oversight of well-respected industrial psychologists to avoid bias, and strong present-minded measures to detect bad-faith action against the survey.

• the FCC will abide by the results of the survey following independent review of the results, using heuristics to detect action in bad faith. Receipts will be "checked".

• broad band data is a communication service. Air band data is a communication service. Communication is the common heritage of mankind. It is the rock we are built on, and it is the very source of what makes humans different, that we communicate who we are. We should never exploit each other over access to what makes us human.
 
I'd like to add a rider to Rep. Jarhyn's plan for a Heartbeat Abortion ban.
 
If they do clamp down on this robocalls can they also clamp down on junk and scam emails?

Part of the problem is that emails work differently from phone, as a meta-service. Email, having a known but outdated distributed use standard, is harder to change than one with a fixed infrastructure and a mutable backend. From your perspective, it doesn't matter how a call gets routed, or by what hardware. You send keypresses via tones to a digital encoder, and that's it from your side.

With email, there's a specific packet that goes to a specific server on a specific port number containing information laid out in a specific way.

We CAN enforce email signing, but unlike phone numbers, email addresses aren't regulated in that way, and requiring all email providers to issue certificates for email addresses would require a huge overhaul to the DNS system and IP address negotiation, since then, a domain name would have to register for a certificate.

This would absolutely allow providers to get their registration revoked for originating spam, but it would cost billions and require international agreement. It would also produce existential threats to the internet itself, as it would allow third parties to use government power to unilaterally revoke certificates.

While this is possible with the phone issue, it won't, because there can be an automatic, explicit remedy for those who violate that does not restrict their access to good faith service use:nothing past the switch is anything but analog in most situations; first there's nothing to hack or virus.

For telephony it is a bit stickier because of viruses, exploits, and backdoors getting access to the certificate store.

One solution would be to issue CAC readers for analog/landline phones to house a card that would sign, and also have a rate limiting feature in it's signing process, and just require a similar device (SD/USB/etc.; It can be many formats because the device is responsible for secure signing).


As FCC dictator, I would see to it that everyone is able (but not required) to have a user-generated public key, posted as a public on a "public ledger" block chain run by an open technology managed by the FCC, where we pay "mining fees" in a publicly managed digital currency (with which may legally be used to purchase alternative currencies at a taxed rate) to post transactions to the ledger. Everything from legal documents to contracts could exist if we had a public ledger, on which the government had some control to condemn a transaction in the official, legal fork, or was required to sign certain transactions for network acceptance with some level of certificate. You could load your mining fees at the post office, with money.

Maybe if we authorized postal banking at a level above the FCC, those fees could come to represent actual dollars, entered by serial number and then secured physically, to have the transaction re-signed with digital currency at the mint systems, if the currency is to be spent, or recirculated. All money robbed from a postal bank would be marked bills, so robbing one would be pointless.

There's a lot a public ledger could accomplish. Though this would make the FCC one of the most powerful parts of government
 
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Scroll down to the bottom of the link and listen to how this App you can get for you phone torments these scam callers.

I am surely tempted. The Russian one is the best.

https://www.robokiller.com/
That looks pretty fun, but I don't get how it actually works. Does it auto answer numbers that it recognizes are spammers?

I had a weird one a few days ago. I didn't answer, but it was a recording with about 15 secs of someone speaking chinese. No bloody clue what it might have been.
 
Scroll down to the bottom of the link and listen to how this App you can get for you phone torments these scam callers.

I am surely tempted. The Russian one is the best.

https://www.robokiller.com/
That looks pretty fun, but I don't get how it actually works. Does it auto answer numbers that it recognizes are spammers?

I had a weird one a few days ago. I didn't answer, but it was a recording with about 15 secs of someone speaking chinese. No bloody clue what it might have been.
There is a Chinese scam which is directed towards... well... people that are Chinese. Sometimes it'll indicate that the Chinese Embassy is trying to contact you and they go from there.
 
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