Party of free speech arrests and revokes green card of permanent resident for speech they don't like

[Derec]

Because large number of Haitian and Venezuelan immigrants have been granted Temporary Protected Status in earlier years.

I don't like Trump either, but assuming the most nefarious interpretation must be true because "Trump bad" is not a good look either.

 

[Axulus]

Because large number of Haitian and Venezuelan immigrants have been granted Temporary Protected Status in earlier years.

I don't like Trump either, but assuming the most nefarious interpretation must be true because "Trump bad" is not a good look either.

The green card doesn't fucking matter. It is a worthless piece of paper to the orange Hitler. Just one example of many:

A New Hampshire man with a green card was detained by immigration officers at Logan Airport and is being held by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement at the Donald W. Wyatt detention facility in Central Falls, Rhode Island.

Fabian Schmidt’s family said they are unsure of why he is being held. They said he has a recently renewed green card, and no active issues in court.

Schmidt had been visiting Luxembourg and flew back to the U.S. on Friday. His partner had gone to pick him up at Logan Airport, and waited four hours before calling authorities.

“It was just said that his green card was flagged,” said Astrid Senior, his mother. She said she didn’t hear from her son directly until Tuesday, when she learned he’d been hospitalized.

Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair.

She said Schmidt told her immigration agents pressured him to give up his green card. She said he was placed on a mat in a bright room with other people at the airport, with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression.

“He hardly got anything to drink. And then he wasn’t feeling very well and he collapsed,” said Senior.

He was transported by ambulance to Mass General Hospital. He didn’t know it at the time, but he also had influenza.

On Tuesday, Schmidt was transported to the regional headquarters for ICE in Burlington, Massachusetts, and then transferred to the Wyatt facility. The family, including his partner, who is a cardiologist in Nashua, have acquired attorneys and been working with the German consulate in hopes to have him released on bail.

Green card holder from New Hampshire 'interrogated' at Logan Airport, detained

Fabian Schmidt’s family said they are unsure of why he is being held. They said he has a recently renewed green card, and no active issues in court.

www.nhpr.org

 

[southernhybrid]

I checked the source SH cited and it doesn't back up her claim, so TS is probably correct. The NYT says Trump is revoking Haitians' and Venezuelans' Temporary Protected Status, not green cards.

Okay. My memory was slightly off, but the point is that he is trying to remove immigrants who were granted temporary legal status and imo, that's a horrible, cruel thing. We need these people as much as they need us. He's not even giving them a chance for asylum. He is targeting people from countries that he doesn't like and against people who are poor. If they are forced to return to countries like Haiti, it's a death sentence.

In the first place, forcing them to return to Haiti was Biden's decision, not Trump's -- all Trump did was shorten their permission to stay by six months. You aren't going to claim Haiti will be a safe country after six more months, are you? You are de facto accusing Biden of sentencing them to death. So what is it you're arguing for here, for "temporary" to have meant "permanent"? You need to take that up with the Democrats in Congress who enacted the TPS program in the first place and never intended it to provide permanent protected status.

And in the second place, this is a green card thread. There's another thread for talking about your issue.https://www.politifact.com/factchec...administration-prevented-haitians-deportatio/

• The Biden-Harris administration in June extended Temporary Protected Status for up to 300,000 additional Haitians, effectively preventing their deportation. We don’t know how many Haitians have been approved; people have to apply and be accepted.
• Temporary Protected Status applicants submit fingerprints and photos for background checks by the U.S. government.
• People who have certain criminal records, such as convictions for possessing small amounts of cannabis, are initially ineligible for Temporary Protected Status. But they can file an additional application seeking a waiver.

See the sources for this fact-check

Are you sure that Biden deported Haitians? I couldn't find any information to prove that, but I did find that he extended the temporary protected status of up to 300,000 of them, as the article I linked states. I found other articles that said the same thing, so. I'm not sure that your claim is correct. It was Trump and Vance who made up the lies that Haitians were eating the cats and dogs, despite the fact that the people in Ohio, where they lived denied that. In fact, even the Republican mayor of the Springfield where they lived said they were needed to fill certain jobs. So, unless you can find a reliable source that says Biden was deporting these people, I'm skeptical of your claim. If Biden did send them back, then yes, he was giving them a death sentence.

 

[Bomb#20]

... If they are forced to return to countries like Haiti, it's a death sentence.

In the first place, forcing them to return to Haiti was Biden's decision, not Trump's -- all Trump did was shorten their permission to stay by six months. You aren't going to claim Haiti will be a safe country after six more months, are you? You are de facto accusing Biden of sentencing them to death. So what is it you're arguing for here, for "temporary" to have meant "permanent"? You need to take that up with the Democrats in Congress who enacted the TPS program in the first place and never intended it to provide permanent protected status.

And in the second place, this is a green card thread. There's another thread for talking about your issue.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...administration-prevented-haitians-deportatio/

• The Biden-Harris administration in June extended Temporary Protected Status for up to 300,000 additional Haitians, effectively preventing their deportation. We don’t know how many Haitians have been approved; people have to apply and be accepted.
• Temporary Protected Status applicants submit fingerprints and photos for background checks by the U.S. government.
• People who have certain criminal records, such as convictions for possessing small amounts of cannabis, are initially ineligible for Temporary Protected Status. But they can file an additional application seeking a waiver.

See the sources for this fact-check

Are you sure that Biden deported Haitians? I couldn't find any information to prove that, but I did find that he extended the temporary protected status of up to 300,000 of them, as the article I linked states. I found other articles that said the same thing, so. I'm not sure that your claim is correct. It was Trump and Vance who made up the lies that Haitians were eating the cats and dogs, despite the fact that the people in Ohio, where they lived denied that. In fact, even the Republican mayor of the Springfield where they lived said they were needed to fill certain jobs. So, unless you can find a reliable source that says Biden was deporting these people, I'm skeptical of your claim. If Biden did send them back, then yes, he was giving them a death sentence.

Well, I'm sorry you wasted a lot of your time pursuing a misunderstanding, but I didn't say Biden deported Haitians. His decision was to grant temporary protected status. That means when the temporary period runs out they have to go home. Obviously I wasn't saying he'd deported them -- if they'd already been deported then how the heck could Trump move their departure date up by six months?!? If we accept your framing that going home is a death sentence, then Biden sentenced them to death and set a 2026 execution date; Trump moved the execution date up to 2025. Your so-called "fact-checker" claims "The Biden-Harris administration in June extended Temporary Protected Status for up to 300,000 additional Haitians, effectively preventing their deportation." That's not how it works. Extending Temporary Protected Status does not prevent deportation; it only delays it. Exactly which part of "temporary" does Politifact not understand?

As for your framing, what makes you think being sent back to Haiti is a death sentence? I looked up the death rate there. Haiti has fewer deaths per thousand people per year then the U.S. has.

 

[barbos]

Because large number of Haitian and Venezuelan immigrants have been granted Temporary Protected Status in earlier years.

I don't like Trump either, but assuming the most nefarious interpretation must be true because "Trump bad" is not a good look either.

The green card doesn't fucking matter. It is a worthless piece of paper to the orange Hitler. Just one example of many:

A New Hampshire man with a green card was detained by immigration officers at Logan Airport and is being held by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement at the Donald W. Wyatt detention facility in Central Falls, Rhode Island.

Fabian Schmidt’s family said they are unsure of why he is being held. They said he has a recently renewed green card, and no active issues in court.

Schmidt had been visiting Luxembourg and flew back to the U.S. on Friday. His partner had gone to pick him up at Logan Airport, and waited four hours before calling authorities.

“It was just said that his green card was flagged,” said Astrid Senior, his mother. She said she didn’t hear from her son directly until Tuesday, when she learned he’d been hospitalized.

Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair.

She said Schmidt told her immigration agents pressured him to give up his green card. She said he was placed on a mat in a bright room with other people at the airport, with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression.

“He hardly got anything to drink. And then he wasn’t feeling very well and he collapsed,” said Senior.

He was transported by ambulance to Mass General Hospital. He didn’t know it at the time, but he also had influenza.

On Tuesday, Schmidt was transported to the regional headquarters for ICE in Burlington, Massachusetts, and then transferred to the Wyatt facility. The family, including his partner, who is a cardiologist in Nashua, have acquired attorneys and been working with the German consulate in hopes to have him released on bail.

Green card holder from New Hampshire 'interrogated' at Logan Airport, detained

Fabian Schmidt’s family said they are unsure of why he is being held. They said he has a recently renewed green card, and no active issues in court.

www.nhpr.org

He looks white to me and he is from Luxembourg !!! you can't get less shithole country than that.
Something weird is going on there.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

His decision was to grant temporary protected status. That means when the temporary period runs out they have to go home.

It doesn't--that's an assumption. That's like saying a ceasefire means that war will continue when the ceasefire ends. When a temporary thing ends, another one might be put in its place or other measures might come up OR your assumption could also become a thing. It's also different than a ceasefire/war analogy because each individual has a different status, meaning many individuals deemed safe and as refugees could obtain an improved status while in the temporary state and others not deemed safe could be sent back. So, for example, an individual Haitian who has temporary protected status might find a job and then apply for an employment-related petition for legal permanent residency. Persons in their household and related might also be able to apply for family-based statuses. So, if a father/mother of a household finds a good paying job, then spouse and children might become legal permanent residents. Providing more time through delays, and extending temporary protected status provides more opportunity for Haitians to obtain such other immigration statuses and not be deported.

As for your framing, what makes you think being sent back to Haiti is a death sentence? I looked up the death rate there. Haiti has fewer deaths per thousand people per year then the U.S. has.

Haiti has/had been experiencing a problem of roving gangs, civil unrest, and lawlessness as the government broke down. This article is from 2024:

Gangs tighten grip as Haiti spirals to collapse

With a prime minister unable to return and violent criminals in control, Haiti is fast descending into anarchy.

www.bbc.com

Well, first, I am unsure that a random Haitian, perhaps living in a rural area far away from the capital has the same death risk as a person coming from the capital area who belonged to the same political party as the assassinated political leader and fled as the political violence became a thing in Port-au-Prince. At some point, the airports were also taken over so returning to Haiti wouldn't mean returning specifically to a safe or AVERAGE area but a specifically volatile area either because of the airport or the capital region. Or even the specifics of the reason the person fled.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Because large number of Haitian and Venezuelan immigrants have been granted Temporary Protected Status in earlier years.

They aren't sending these people back home, they are sending them to a fucking prison in another country!

 

[Jarhyn]

Because large number of Haitian and Venezuelan immigrants have been granted Temporary Protected Status in earlier years.

They aren't sending these people back home, they are sending them to a fucking prison in another country!

Kind of like the way the Germans sent folks to prisons in other countries.

Why are you arguing with them? They clearly either don't accept that that's where this is going, they don't care, or they actually want it to happen.

We have been telling them that for years, all of them, really and now they are doing this and supporting it.

This is not something you argue with.

 

[Bomb#20]

His decision was to grant temporary protected status. That means when the temporary period runs out they have to go home.

It doesn't--that's an assumption. That's like saying a ceasefire means that war will continue when the ceasefire ends. When a temporary thing ends, another one might be put in its place or other measures might come up OR your assumption could also become a thing. It's also different than a ceasefire/war analogy because each individual has a different status, meaning many individuals deemed safe and as refugees could obtain an improved status while in the temporary state and others not deemed safe could be sent back. So, for example, an individual Haitian who has temporary protected status might find a job and then apply for an employment-related petition for legal permanent residency. Persons in their household and related might also be able to apply for family-based statuses. So, if a father/mother of a household finds a good paying job, then spouse and children might become legal permanent residents. Providing more time through delays, and extending temporary protected status provides more opportunity for Haitians to obtain such other immigration statuses and not be deported.

Hmm. By that principle, when a jury sentences someone to death, since it takes years for those decisions to work through the court system and there will be many opportunities for the case to be overturned on appeal or for the governor to commute the sentence or for new evidence to be uncovered or for the law to be changed, it follows that the death sentence isn't a death sentence.

As for your framing, what makes you think being sent back to Haiti is a death sentence? I looked up the death rate there. Haiti has fewer deaths per thousand people per year then the U.S. has.

Haiti has/had been experiencing a problem of roving gangs, civil unrest, and lawlessness as the government broke down. This article is from 2024:

Gangs tighten grip as Haiti spirals to collapse

With a prime minister unable to return and violent criminals in control, Haiti is fast descending into anarchy.

www.bbc.com

Well, first, I am unsure that a random Haitian, perhaps living in a rural area far away from the capital has the same death risk as a person coming from the capital area who belonged to the same political party as the assassinated political leader and fled as the political violence became a thing in Port-au-Prince.

That would be more convincing if we were talking about three hundred people with TPS. The Biden administration did not consider three hundred thousand people's situations and determine they all had elevated death risk.

At some point, the airports were also taken over so returning to Haiti wouldn't mean returning specifically to a safe or AVERAGE area but a specifically volatile area either because of the airport or the capital region. Or even the specifics of the reason the person fled.

If it came to that, I suspect the U.S. government could probably lay its hands on some boats.