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Peak Oil

steve_bank

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When demand exceeds supply price goes up.

Peak oil was predicted in the 80s to be around the end of century. Better extraction and exploration methods put it off, but it is coming.


Oil companies new. In the 90s BP diversified into alternative energy.

For those politicians dragging their feet on EVs and supporting fossil fuelss it is inescapable.

The exporting nations of OPEC put the peak in 2040 while acknowledging that its new forecast might still prove too optimistic for oil. Notable exceptions include the International Energy Agency, which sees demand “plateauing” but not quite peaking, and the U.S. Energy Information Agency.Nov 30, 2020


Peak oil is the moment at which extraction of petroleum reaches a rate greater than that at any time in the past and starts to permanently decrease.[2][3][4] It is related to the distinct concept of oil depletion; while global petroleum reserves are finite, the limiting factor is not whether the oil exists but whether it can be extracted economically at a given price.[5][6] A secular decline in oil extraction could be caused both by depletion of accessible reserves and by reductions in demand that reduce the price relative to the cost of extraction, as might be induced to reduce carbon emissions.[5][7]

Numerous predictions of the timing of peak oil have been made over the past century before being falsified by subsequent growth in the rate of petroleum extraction.[8][9][10][11][12][13] M. King Hubbert is often credited with introducing the notion in a 1956 paper which presented a formal theory and predicted U.S. extraction to peak between 1965 and 1971.[14][15] Hubbert's original predictions for world peak oil production proved premature[15] and, as of 2021, forecasts of the year of peak oil range from 2019 to 2040.[16][17] These predictions are dependent on future economic trends, technological developments, and efforts by societies and governments to moderate climate change.[7][16][18]

Predictions of future oil production made in 2007 and 2009 stated either that the peak had already occurred,[19][20][21][22] that oil production was on the cusp of the peak, or that it would occur soon.[23][24] A decade later world oil production rose to hit a new high in 2018, as developments in extraction technology enabled an expansion of U.S. tight oil production.[25][16][26] Following a collapse in oil demand at the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic and a price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia, a number of organizations have put forward predictions of a peak in the next 10 to 15 years.[27]
 
Peak oil is irrelevant.

There's more than enough oil and gas in the ground that we will be able to totally fuck up our environment by burning it, before we run out of it.

We need to stop burning the stuff before it runs out, not because.

If we reach the point where it's all been extracted (or at least, enough of the reachable stuff to make the rest unaffordably expensive), we will have far bigger worries than the price at the pump.
 
I think the peak oil conversation actually improves our odds of decreasing fossil fuel consumption if you think about it. The general public is too stupid/careless to reason with so the only shit that works is scaring them into pushing their politicians towards alternative energy. PEAK OIL! PEAK OIL! YOU AND ALL YOUR MONEY WILL BE BURNED BY THE CHINESE AND RUSSIANS IF WE DON'T PREPARE FOR PEAK OIL!!
 
I think the peak oil conversation actually improves our odds of decreasing fossil fuel consumption if you think about it. The general public is too stupid/careless to reason with so the only shit that works is scaring them into pushing their politicians towards alternative energy. PEAK OIL! PEAK OIL! YOU AND ALL YOUR MONEY WILL BE BURNED BY THE CHINESE AND RUSSIANS IF WE DON'T PREPARE FOR PEAK OIL!!
They were also warned that Covid-19 would kill people and shutdown access to hospitals... and people were out protesting closures and going out still... before the vaccine was even available.

NEVER EVER count on rational thought to save humanity from itself.
 
I think the peak oil conversation actually improves our odds of decreasing fossil fuel consumption if you think about it. The general public is too stupid/careless to reason with so the only shit that works is scaring them into pushing their politicians towards alternative energy. PEAK OIL! PEAK OIL! YOU AND ALL YOUR MONEY WILL BE BURNED BY THE CHINESE AND RUSSIANS IF WE DON'T PREPARE FOR PEAK OIL!!
They were also warned that Covid-19 would kill people and shutdown access to hospitals... and people were out protesting closures and going out still... before the vaccine was even available.

NEVER EVER count on rational thought to save humanity from itself.

If we invented a Qanon to spread the news that Covid was a weapon of war invented by a coalition of Brown and Asian people, that wouldn't have been the case.
 
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