Rand Paul, Remember Him? Has He Got an Education Plan for YOU!

[AthenaAwakened]

The Republican presidential candidate and Kentucky senator made the comments on Friday to Iowa radio host Jeff Angelos, arguing that America’s youth should think about “what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin.”

“The main thing I would say is that nothing’s free,” Paul said. “If someone offers you something for free, treat it as if they’re offering you heroin and think about the repercussions of what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin and the ramifications of that. There’s nothing free. It just means somebody else is gonna pay for it, you don’t see them. So the plumber, the welder, the carpenter, the people who don’t go to college are being asked to pay for your education.”

Paul went on to argue that higher education was “so expensive” today because of an “educational monopoly,” saying his solution would be to allow college students to deduct “the entire cost of going to college” over the course of their working careers and to “allow the internet to blossom.”

“I imagine a hundred professors that would get together that would be able to sell their services to the entire world,” he said, describing his vision for higher education online. “Not just one university, but the entire world and we have to convince them that they would be more and more successful and financially rewarded by doing this, but then the pupil would get a cheaper and cheaper educational experience, as it spreads throughout the world using the internet.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/christopher...-treat-free-college-like-somebodys#.jwMWkZale

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Awesome! So I could deduct the cost of my education ($100k) in loans right now (which would be getting paid back when I'm making the least amount of money in my career) against income I make 40 years from now (long since the scraping and clawing to pay back the loans has ended). How could that possibly not work!?

Rand Paul is right! You have to be on heroin to think this idea is even remotely workable.

You know, the other option, which would be better as an analogy, you go to school, then you pay for it in an elevated tax down the road! The more you make, the more goes to that tax. That would at least work in the real world.

I thank Donald Trump for sucking all the oxygen out of the campaign of Rand Paul.

 

[Deepak]

What if someone offers me free heroin?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What if someone offers me free heroin?

Then you take it and resell it to someone else at the street value of the product. It's not your fault that the guy is a communist and he deserves to be taken advantage of for his stupidity in following an non-libertarian philosophy.

 

[laughing dog]

Rand Paul is right that his plan would offer cheaper and cheaper education to students.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My favorite part is that somehow having a collegiate system in the United States with around 3,000 4-yr schools (including a substantial mix of public and private) is somehow considered a "monopoly".

 

[Nice Squirrel]

My favorite part is that somehow having a collegiate system in the United States with around 3,000 4-yr schools (including a substantial mix of public and private) is somehow considered a "monopoly".

It is because the Higher Learnin' Commission doesn't accredit them Homeschool Universities.

 

[Selsaral]

The Republican presidential candidate and Kentucky senator made the comments on Friday to Iowa radio host Jeff Angelos, arguing that America’s youth should think about “what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin.”

“The main thing I would say is that nothing’s free,” Paul said. “If someone offers you something for free, treat it as if they’re offering you heroin and think about the repercussions of what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin and the ramifications of that. There’s nothing free. It just means somebody else is gonna pay for it, you don’t see them. So the plumber, the welder, the carpenter, the people who don’t go to college are being asked to pay for your education.”

Ah finally, a new ridiculous analogy for taxes. No longer theft, now an addicting drug.

But really, there's no incentive for plumbers, welders, and carpenters to live in a prosperous society filled with educated individuals who make enough money to hire plumbers, welder and carpenters? Incentive maybe, but not worth drugging them against their will with heroin I suppose.

Paul went on to argue that higher education was “so expensive” today because of an “educational monopoly,” saying his solution would be to allow college students to deduct “the entire cost of going to college” over the course of their working careers and to “allow the internet to blossom.”

“I imagine a hundred professors that would get together that would be able to sell their services to the entire world,” he said, describing his vision for higher education online. “Not just one university, but the entire world and we have to convince them that they would be more and more successful and financially rewarded by doing this, but then the pupil would get a cheaper and cheaper educational experience, as it spreads throughout the world using the internet.”

....kind of like a university.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My favorite part is that somehow having a collegiate system in the United States with around 3,000 4-yr schools (including a substantial mix of public and private) is somehow considered a "monopoly".

It is because the Higher Learnin' Commission doesn't accredit them Homeschool Universities.

Pretty much. They can't fuck with the curriculum like they are trying to with High School.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Now remember who you are talking about. Rand Paul.

This guy

According to an amusing story in today’s Louisville Courier-Journal, the Kentucky Republican Senate candidate bills himself as a “board-certified” physician even though he is not actually certified by the American Board of Ophthalmology — the only recognized body that certifies doctors in his specialty.

Paul’s only certification was provided instead by something called the National Board of Ophthalmology, which is very convenient because he operates that organization himself. As the Courier-Journal explains drily, the American Board of Ophthalmology, which maintains a fully staffed headquarters in Philadelphia, has existed for roughly a century and currently lists about 16,000 doctors on its rolls. (Most hospitals and insurance companies strongly prefer doctors who are board-certified because certification indicates that they have kept up with changes in technology, best practices and so on.) The National Board of Ophthalmology has existed since 1999, when Paul “founded” it, lists no more than seven doctors, and its address is a post-office box in Bowling Green, Ky. He had claimed to be certified by both boards, but Courier-Journal reporter Joseph Gerth quickly discovered that claim was false.

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/14/rand_2/

 

[Selsaral]

He should be glad he lives in a country where he's free to shamelessly lie like that, unlike that socialist hellhole where Obama the dictator rules with an iron fist.

 

[Deepak]

Now remember who you are talking about. Rand Paul.

This guy

According to an amusing story in today’s Louisville Courier-Journal, the Kentucky Republican Senate candidate bills himself as a “board-certified” physician even though he is not actually certified by the American Board of Ophthalmology — the only recognized body that certifies doctors in his specialty.

Paul’s only certification was provided instead by something called the National Board of Ophthalmology, which is very convenient because he operates that organization himself. As the Courier-Journal explains drily, the American Board of Ophthalmology, which maintains a fully staffed headquarters in Philadelphia, has existed for roughly a century and currently lists about 16,000 doctors on its rolls. (Most hospitals and insurance companies strongly prefer doctors who are board-certified because certification indicates that they have kept up with changes in technology, best practices and so on.) The National Board of Ophthalmology has existed since 1999, when Paul “founded” it, lists no more than seven doctors, and its address is a post-office box in Bowling Green, Ky. He had claimed to be certified by both boards, but Courier-Journal reporter Joseph Gerth quickly discovered that claim was false.

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/14/rand_2/

Well he's definitely certifiable.

 

[untermensche]

This is happening at a time where civilized nations like Germany are moving towards free college education.

A population that is educated is an asset.

Society as a whole pitching in so that everybody can get a free college education is an investment in the future.

 

[Canard DuJour]

Ah finally, a new ridiculous analogy for taxes. No longer theft, now an addicting drug.

But really, there's no incentive for plumbers, welders, and carpenters to live in a prosperous society filled with educated individuals who make enough money to hire plumbers, welder and carpenters? Incentive maybe, but not worth drugging them against their will with heroin I suppose.

And of course their own kids won't want to go to college - what with their plumbers', welders' and carpenters' genes - so it's pointless making it affordable for them.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Ah finally, a new ridiculous analogy for taxes. No longer theft, now an addicting drug.

But really, there's no incentive for plumbers, welders, and carpenters to live in a prosperous society filled with educated individuals who make enough money to hire plumbers, welder and carpenters? Incentive maybe, but not worth drugging them against their will with heroin I suppose.

And of course their own kids won't want to go to college - what with their plumbers', welders' and carpenters' genes - so it's pointless making it affordable for them.

their children? hell, THEM!

But you right. No tradesman ever wanted to go back to school

 

[Perspicuo]

Education is a service to all society.

Plumbers need plumber school. And even those plumbers who learned on the go, they need doctors and lawyers, efficient communications systems, healthier food and water supply, etc.

So just as we all pay for roads and airline safety (even if we hardly ever fly), we all need to pay for the education of our dear and useful eggheads. It's a moral duty (and a ticket to a more advanced future, if you want to see it from a purely selfish standpoint).

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Reality: The standard deduction is high enough that you either need to be rich or have quite a bit of mortgage interest to deduct in order to make it worthwhile. Making college education deductible over one's lifetime means a few thousand a year of deductions that likely gets lost because you don't itemize in the first place.

Wonderful proposal!