Republican-Appointed Judges - harsher sentences to black defendants, lighter sentences to women

[RavenSky]

Judges appointed by Republican presidents gave longer sentences to black defendants and shorter ones to women than judges appointed by Democrats, according to a new study that analyzed data on more than half a million defendants.

“Republican-appointed judges sentence black defendants to three more months than similar nonblacks and female defendants to two fewer months than similar males compared to Democratic-appointed judges,” the study found, adding, “These differences cannot be explained by other judge characteristics and grow substantially larger when judges are granted more discretion.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/politics/black-defendants-women-prison-terms-study.html

Racism and patriarchy - thy name is Republican.

 

[southernhybrid]

Now we have the evidence. If only Republicans believed in facts.

 

[thebeave]

Um...wouldn't the patriarchy give harsher sentences to women, not lighter?

 

[barbos]

So democrat appointed judges give blacks lighter sentences and harsher ones to women

 

[Sarpedon]

Um...wouldn't the patriarchy give harsher sentences to women, not lighter?

Only in cases when it comes to sexually related offenses.

In all other cases, the paternalistic attitude of the patriarchy holds that women are LESS responsible than men. You know, like children. And so get lighter sentences.

"The law is a ass."

 

[ZiprHead]

So democrat appointed judges give blacks lighter sentences and harsher ones to women

Poisoning the well, are you?

Democrat judges give out the same punishments without regard to gender or color.

 

[Derec]

Racism and patriarchy - thy name is Republican.

Patriarchy? You mean feminism?

It is after all the feminists on here who always defend light sentences for females. Like no jail time for the group of women who sexually tortured a man or 60 days for a woman who brutally murdered her husband while he slept.

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Democrat judges give out the same punishments without regard to gender or color.

Do they?

 

[Derec]

In all other cases, the paternalistic attitude of the patriarchy holds that women are LESS responsible than men. You know, like children. And so get lighter sentences.

I recall feminists on here always defending light sentences given to women.
And in cases where two young people are both drunk and have sex the feminists tend to view the man as "rapist" and woman as "victim" even though they both did exactly the same thing.
So I am a bit skeptical of the results of that study. We need to update that Mark Twain quote - there are lies, damn lies, and social science studies.

 

[ZiprHead]

Democrat judges give out the same punishments without regard to gender or color.

Do they?

Apparently they do at a greater rate than Republican appointed judges.

I would have thought you would praise this considering all your talk about how things should be equal across the board. But then again, talk is cheap.

 

[Derec]

I would have thought you would praise this considering all your talk about how things should be equal across the board. But then again, talk is cheap.

I would if I believed it to be so. However Democrats are obsessed with "affirmative action" which is the opposite of treating people equally. Hillary herself wrote an op-ed for CNN about wanting criminal justice system to be sensitive to gender, i.e. to give females lesser penalties because they are female.

As to the "study", they probably did not compare equal crimes, but just compared sentences given in general.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Democrat judges give out the same punishments without regard to gender or color.

Do they?

Apparently they do at a greater rate than Republican appointed judges.

I would have thought you would praise this considering all your talk about how things should be equal across the board. But then again, talk is cheap.

Finally, in columns 3 and 4, we present our preferred specification from Equation 1 where wecontrol for a full set of judge fixed effects. Similar to our previous results, we find that Republicanappointedjudges give black offenders an additional 3.0 months in prison compared to non-blackoffenders, relative to Democratic judges in the same district court, 65 percent of the baseline racialgap. We also find that Republican judges give female offenders 2.0 fewer months in prison comparedto males, relative to Democratic judges, 17 percent of the baseline gender gap. With the additionof final offense level fixed effects in column 4, we find that Republican-appointed judges give blackoffenders an additional 1.6 months in prison compared to non-black offenders, and female offenders1.7 months less than male offenders, relative to Democratic judges. Overall, these results suggestthat Republican-appointed judges exhibit larger racial and gender disparities in sentencing comparedto Democratic-appointed judges.

The study indicates that if all of judges were Democrats, the racial disparity was estimated to drop by half. By half indicates, not all, which means the Democrat judges are not free of a potential racial bias. What I will say, is that the numbers we are talking about don't see to be huge. We are talking months, not years.

 

[ZiprHead]

I would have thought you would praise this considering all your talk about how things should be equal across the board. But then again, talk is cheap.

I would if I believed it to be so. However Democrats are obsessed with "affirmative action" which is the opposite of treating people equally. Hillary herself wrote an op-ed for CNN about wanting criminal justice system to be sensitive to gender, i.e. to give females lesser penalties because they are female.

As to the "study", they probably did not compare equal crimes, but just compared sentences given in general.

Then you obviously didn't read the report and just felt that flapping your gums was a more appropriate response.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I would have thought you would praise this considering all your talk about how things should be equal across the board. But then again, talk is cheap.

I would if I believed it to be so. However Democrats are obsessed with "affirmative action" which is the opposite of treating people equally. Hillary herself wrote an op-ed for CNN about wanting criminal justice system to be sensitive to gender, i.e. to give females lesser penalties because they are female.

As to the "study", they probably did not compare equal crimes, but just compared sentences given in general.

Then you obviously didn't read the report and just felt that flapping your gums was a more appropriate response.

He clearly didn't read the study as he didn't pick up on one of the larger conclusions their study had, that "Women never lie about rape."

 

[laughing dog]

As to the "study", they probably did not compare equal crimes, but just compared sentences given in general.

I think there is a much higher probability that you did not read the study than the authors not comparing equal crimes.

 

[barbos]

So democrat appointed judges give blacks lighter sentences and harsher ones to women

Poisoning the well, are you?

Democrat judges give out the same punishments without regard to gender or color.

Same as republicans?

 

[ronburgundy]

So democrat appointed judges give blacks lighter sentences and harsher ones to women

Poisoning the well, are you?

Democrat judges give out the same punishments without regard to gender or color.

Same as republicans?

No, "same" is referring to that same punishments for blacks as for whites, and for females as for males.
But, it's actually more complicated than that. All judges sentenced blacks to longer sentences, but for Dem judges it was a difference of about 3 months, while for Republican judges it was a difference of about 6 months.

The results seems to hold up even after controlling for level of offense, criminal history, race and gender of the judge, whether the judge was a former prosecutor, and whether the case was heard in a court district that shows a general level of racial bias.

 

[ZiprHead]

You are correct and I mischaracterized the situation in my haste to respond.

 

[ronburgundy]

It should be pointed out that this study is arguably the strongest evidence to date of racial bias in the courts.

Almost all other evidence merely presents overall differences in outcomes for blacks and whites, which is confounded with numerous factors that can and should impact verdicts and sentencing. Not only does this study control for crime severity and criminal record, but separating Dem and GOP judges actually controls for almost everything else, such as quality of legal representation that is determined by ability of the defendant to pay.

The 3 month bias in sentencing by Dem judges might be due to such factors like quality of defense. In fact we know that some of it is because other data show these other factors matter and are correlated with race of the defendant. But any such effect would on average be similar for the cases they hear and the cases that GOP judges hear. Thus, the additional amount of bias by the GOP judges cannot be attributed to these other factors, meaning it is much stronger evidence that at least their extra 3 months GOP judges give to blacks above what Dems do is racially motivated.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Axulus]

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This is essentially propaganda. It was an armed robbery with a gun. The teen was facing a mandatory minimum of 10 years but got 5 with possibility of parole due to a plea bargain. The shoes were found in his possession. No evidence it had anything to do with race.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-teen-gets-5-years-in-prison-for-shoe-robbery

The 79 year old was also a plea bargain: likely a sign the prosecutor was worried it would be difficult to prove the case in court.

I think the study in the OP already provides good evidence of the racial impact: about 6 months extra for Republican judges, 3 months for Dem judges (which, as Ron pointed out, may be explainable in part due to weaker legal representation and not racism).

No need to introduce propaganda into a fact based discussion.