Requiring peer-reviewed articles discriminates against indigenous academics: law professor

[AthenaAwakened]

This thread is not about institutions regulating behavior based on race, but an institution refusing to accept a racial argument as a reason to suspend requirements other professors are expected to work under.
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The requirements regulate behavior, thus if they are suspended or modified for individuals based on race-related factors, then it is a matter of institutions regulating behavior based on race.

Were they suspended? Has the school not taken the stance of NOT suspending them? Isn't that what the hubbub is about, the school NOT buying professor's argument that she should have special dispensation?

 

[ronburgundy]

The requirements regulate behavior, thus if they are suspended or modified for individuals based on race-related factors, then it is a matter of institutions regulating behavior based on race.

Were they suspended? Has the school not taken the stance of NOT suspending them? Isn't that what the hubbub is about, the school NOT buying professor's argument that she should have special dispensation?

I said "if" they are suspended. You claimed that the whether the school accepts a racial argument to suspend job requirements has nothing to do with institutions regulating behavior based on race. I was pointing out that is false. This is about this women demanding that a public institution regulate behavior based on race. It appears that the institution did not agree to that ahead of time and is refusing to do so now. Which is great and how it should be.

Also, this particular instance raises the general question of whether Universities should make such agreements that suspend the normal requirements. Thus, it is reasonable and on topic for people to discuss the fact that even if a school tells a new hire this, they shouldn't get tenure, and those who told her that should be fired for racial discrimination.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This thread is not about a fire department in the US, but a college in Canada.
This thread is not about institutions regulating behavior based on race, but an institution refusing to accept a racial argument as a reason to suspend requirements other professors are expected to work under.

I suggest fire department discussion be split out of the thread and any other arguments that have no bearing on the OP.

The Fire Department came up because it's a clear case of reverse discrimination.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The United States has institutionalised discrimination against Whites and Asians in college admissions, except where they are prevented from discriminating by law.

And when it's prohibited they simply change to top <x>% of one's class to get the same effect.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Were they suspended? Has the school not taken the stance of NOT suspending them? Isn't that what the hubbub is about, the school NOT buying professor's argument that she should have special dispensation?

I said "if" they are suspended. You claimed that the whether the school accepts a racial argument to suspend job requirements has nothing to do with institutions regulating behavior based on race. I was pointing out that is false. This is about this women demanding that a public institution regulate behavior based on race. It appears that the institution did not agree to that ahead of time and is refusing to do so now. Which is great and how it should be.

Also, this particular instance raises the general question of whether Universities should make such agreements that suspend the normal requirements. Thus, it is reasonable and on topic for people to discuss the fact that even if a school tells a new hire this, they shouldn't get tenure, and those who told her that should be fired for racial discrimination.

What is happening at the school and what happened with the firefighters are not comparable. they are contrasts. They need to be in a separate thread. If I did not put my ideas as artfully as I could have. My apologies.

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The United States has institutionalised discrimination against Whites and Asians in college admissions, except where they are prevented from discriminating by law.

And when it's prohibited they simply change to top <x>% of one's class to get the same effect.

First, reverse discrimination is just discrimination.

Second, that is not what is happening here.

 

[ronburgundy]

First, reverse discrimination is just discrimination.

Second, that is not what is happening here.

Discrimination isn't happening, because the University is refusing this professors demand that they discriminate in her favor. Had they accepted her argument either at tenure review or during hire, then discrimination would have occurred, and all other faculty refused tenure would have had a legit legal basis to sue the school.

 

[fromderinside]

Well King, this case is closed.

 

[Metaphor]

Well King, this case is closed.

Since the case has been accepted, but not yet heard, I'd say it's as far from closed as it's possible to be.

 

[laughing dog]

It's not illogical to recognise the way the debate is framed by the use of language that separates White people's experience from everyone else's.

Except that is not happening in the case of the description.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

First, reverse discrimination is just discrimination.

Second, that is not what is happening here.

Discrimination isn't happening, because the University is refusing this professors demand that they discriminate in her favor. Had they accepted her argument either at tenure review or during hire, then discrimination would have occurred, ...

But it didn't. Why engage in a hypothetical when real things happened?

 

[laughing dog]

First, reverse discrimination is just discrimination.

Second, that is not what is happening here.

Discrimination isn't happening, because the University is refusing this professors demand that they discriminate in her favor. Had they accepted her argument either at tenure review or during hire, then discrimination would have occurred, and all other faculty refused tenure would have had a legit legal basis to sue the school.

If and only if the University had not extended the same consideration to the other faculty.