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Revoking Doctors' License and Limits of Free Speech

James Madison

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/revoke-the-license-of-any-doctor-who-opposes-vaccination/2015/02/06/11a05e50-ad7f-11e4-9c91-e9d2f9fde644_story.html

Unfortunately some doctors...say that vaccines cause autism, as in the famous case of Andrew Wakefield, whose study drawing the link has been retracted. Or that measles isn’t that bad, so your child can skip the shots, as Jack Wolfson, a cardiologist in Arizona, says, adding that “the facts” show vaccines to be full of “harmful things” like “chemicals"....vaccines cause “permanent disability or death,” in the words of Bob Sears, a pediatrician in California.

After these few examples the author then proceeds to make the argument, which is below.

Doctors who purvey views based on anecdote, myth, hearsay, rumor, ideology, fraud or some combination of all of these, particularly during an epidemic, should have their medical licenses revoked...

But a doctor is not just another person with First Amendment rights to free speech. When a doctor tells you not to vaccinate, it is not the same as when a layperson says the same thing. And when a doctor ignores the evidence to claim that the measles vaccine will harm your child, it is not the same as when your bartender or hairdresser says so. Physicians’ speech invokes medical authority, so when they speak, patients tend to listen.

Because lives hang in the balance, medical speech is held to a higher standard. A doctor must consider the public health and patient good in all that he says in his role as an expert...

Counseling against vaccination is exactly that kind of misconduct. The science is unimpeachable: Vaccines do not cause autism; measles is dangerous and contagious; inoculating against the disease is neither pointless nor riskier than abstention...

That is why medical speech is subject to scrutiny by a doctor’s peers and can be curtailed by state licensing boards. My home state of New York, for instance, warns doctors that they may not use speech that is “false, fraudulent, deceptive, misleading” or relies on the use of “testimonials.” Violations may be punished by revoking a medical license. Those whose misinformation leads to harm can be charged by a patient, doctor or other health-care professional;

As a general matter, the government is prohibited from restricting speech on the basis of its content. “[A]s a general matter, the First Amendment means that government has no power to restrict expression because of its message, its ideas, its subject matter, or its content.” United States v. Alvarez, quoting Ashcroft v. American Civil Liberties Union, 535 U. S. 564.

When the government's regulation, law, or action taken in regards to speech falls within several well recognized exceptions to the 1st Amendment Free Speech Clause, then the Court is likely to uphold the law, regulation, restriction or action taken by the government in response to the speech. Those exceptions are true threats, slander, libel, speech advocating for, and likely to incite imminent lawless action, obscenity, speech necessary to a crime, child pornography, fraud, and speech presenting some "grave and imminent threat" the government has the authority to prevent.

Here, the author is seeking to revoke the license of a doctor who ventures a medical opinion and such opinion is not only false but if acted upon by a patient/people in society, could result in adverse health consequences for the patient/people and others. In other words, the author isn't advocating for revoking the license on the basis the speech is false but also on the potential communicative impact the speech may have for patients/society. I think then the Court isn't likely to apply strict scrutiny, which improves the likelihood of any revocation of a doctor's license surviving a review by a court.

There isn't a lot of guidance by the judiciary on the limits of professional-client speech but the government has imposed liability for negligent advice, negligent predictions, which otherwise would be constitutionally protected as opinions. Of course, there is also the interesting issue of when a statement by a doctor regarding a medical procedure is a false statement. At what point does the statement by a doctor regarding a medical procedure constitute as a false statement? What is needed to render the statement false? What is the guiding rule or principle for determining when a statement is false?

A 3 justice concurrence said the following in Lowe v. SEC, 472 U.S. 181 (1985):

One who takes the affairs of a client personally in hand and purports to exercise judgment on behalf of the client in the light of the client's individual needs and circumstances is properly viewed as engaging in the practice of a profession. Just as offer and acceptance are communications incidental to the regulable transaction called a contract, the professional's speech is incidental to the conduct of the profession. If the government enacts generally applicable licensing provisions limiting the class of persons who may practice the profession, it cannot be said to have enacted a limitation on freedom of speech or the press subject to First Amendment scrutiny.

Where the personal nexus between professional and client does not exist, and a speaker does not purport to be exercising judgment on behalf of any particular individual with whose circumstances he is directly acquainted, government regulation ceases to function as legitimate regulation of professional practice with only incidental impact on speech; it becomes regulation of speaking or publishing as such, subject to the First Amendment's command that "Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press."​
 
If a doctor is giving false and dangerous medical advice as a doctor to his/her clients, that doctor should not legally practice medicine. That is not an issue of freedom of speech but competence. After all, if this doctor loses his license, this person can still proffer all the advice he wants. He can practice something other than medicine.
 
If a doctor is giving false and dangerous medical advice as a doctor to his/her clients, that doctor should not legally practice medicine. That is not an issue of freedom of speech but competence. After all, if this doctor loses his license, this person can still proffer all the advice he wants. He can practice something other than medicine.

Second this. An anti-vax doctor is showing he doesn't know his field. Yank his license.
 
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Vaccines can be harmful. Just like any medicine can be harmful. In general a vaccine will do more good than harm, but not all the time. That's part of why we vaccinate for some diseases and not others. A doctor, when giving medical advice, considers both the upsides and the downsides of particular advice to their particular treatment.

Which means a doctor needs to be able to recommend against a particular vaccine.

Ok, that's step one. Now the question is, do we legislate to quash minority reports? The advantage is that the public don't get confused and demand poor medical treatment, but the downsides are legion. Decreased trust in doctor's opinions, a backlash against government control over doctor's advice, supression of valid concerns over medical treatment, inhibition of research, inhibition of free exchange of ideas, an increase in the use of unlicensed doctors.

Add that to the fact that attempts to supress or control information tend to backfire horribly, and are monumentally ineffective. How many people refusing vaccination actually subscribe to a medical journal, and how many are just going based on what they've heard. And which is a more effective argument vaccination? That there is a single doctor who disagrees with a particular vaccination, even though his peers openly disagree with him? Or that most doctors probably support vaccination but we'll never know how many don't because all discussion of vaccination effectiveness has been banned?

So, to summarise, the proposal is to crush free speech, ban doctors from freely discussing science, ban doctors from particular recommendations, and in doing so greatly increase the vaccination refusal rate? This is a monumentumentally stupid idea. It's contrary to the principles of liberty, it's contrary to the principles of science, and it helps to destroy the very hard-won public trust that makes vaccination programs feasible in the first place.
 
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Vaccines can be harmful. Just like any medicine can be harmful. In general a vaccine will do more good than harm, but not all the time. That's part of why we vaccinate for some diseases and not others. A doctor, when giving medical advice, considers both the upsides and the downsides of particular advice to their particular treatment.

Which means a doctor needs to be able to recommend against a particular vaccine.

Ok, that's step one. Now the question is, do we legislate to quash minority reports? The advantage is that the public don't get confused and demand poor medical treatment, but the downsides are legion. Decreased trust in doctor's opinions, a backlash against government control over doctor's advice, supression of valid concerns over medical treatment, inhibition of research, inhibition of free exchange of ideas, an increase in the use of unlicensed doctors.

Add that to the fact that attempts to supress or control information tend to backfire horribly, and are monumentally ineffective. How many people refusing vaccination actually subscribe to a medical journal, and how many are just going based on what they've heard. And which is a more effective argument vaccination? That there is a single doctor who disagrees with a particular vaccination, even though his peers openly disagree with him? Or that most doctors probably support vaccination but we'll never know how many don't because all discussion of vaccination effectiveness has been banned?

So, to summarise, the proposal is to crush free speech, ban doctors from freely discussing science, ban doctors from particular recommendations, and in doing so greatly increase the vaccination refusal rate? This is a monumentumentally stupid idea. It's contrary to the principles of liberty, it's contrary to the principles of science, and it helps to destroy the very hard-won public trust that makes vaccination programs feasible in the first place.
Until you explain how it is contrary to the principles of science and to liberty to prevent quacks from practicing medicine, your argument is unconvincing.

I believe your argument is predicated on a false premise. No one is saying that a doctor should not advise against a particular vaccine for a particular client based on the specifics of the situation. These doctors in the OP appear to advocate no vaccinations based on counterfactual and/or nebulous claims ("dangerous chemicals" has no meaning since every chemical is potentially dangerous in the "right" quantity to the "right" person). If they wish to publically advocate such nonsense, they have every right to do so. That right does not disappear if they lose their license to practice medicine - they can continue to preach their nonsense to anyone who cares to listen. After all, in the USA, we have plenty of anti-vaxxer nimcompoops without medical licenses who publically speak. I have no problem with their freedom to speak as citizens. However, if they are deliberately misinforming their clients (not the general public), then they are incompetent and should not be permitted to practice medicine.
 
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Vaccines can be harmful. Just like any medicine can be harmful. In general a vaccine will do more good than harm, but not all the time. That's part of why we vaccinate for some diseases and not others. A doctor, when giving medical advice, considers both the upsides and the downsides of particular advice to their particular treatment.

Which means a doctor needs to be able to recommend against a particular vaccine.

Ok, that's step one. Now the question is, do we legislate to quash minority reports? The advantage is that the public don't get confused and demand poor medical treatment, but the downsides are legion. Decreased trust in doctor's opinions, a backlash against government control over doctor's advice, supression of valid concerns over medical treatment, inhibition of research, inhibition of free exchange of ideas, an increase in the use of unlicensed doctors.

Add that to the fact that attempts to supress or control information tend to backfire horribly, and are monumentally ineffective. How many people refusing vaccination actually subscribe to a medical journal, and how many are just going based on what they've heard. And which is a more effective argument vaccination? That there is a single doctor who disagrees with a particular vaccination, even though his peers openly disagree with him? Or that most doctors probably support vaccination but we'll never know how many don't because all discussion of vaccination effectiveness has been banned?

So, to summarise, the proposal is to crush free speech, ban doctors from freely discussing science, ban doctors from particular recommendations, and in doing so greatly increase the vaccination refusal rate? This is a monumentumentally stupid idea. It's contrary to the principles of liberty, it's contrary to the principles of science, and it helps to destroy the very hard-won public trust that makes vaccination programs feasible in the first place.
Until you explain how it is contrary to the principles of science and to liberty to prevent quacks from practicing medicine, your argument is unconvincing.

1) Science consists of proposing hypotheses, and testing them to see whether they are factual.
2) This necessarily includes proposing hypotheses that existing and current treatments are incorrect
3) Singling out those who do so for public disaprobation and depriving them of their livelihood, is contrary to the principles of science.

I believe your argument is predicated on a false premise. No one is saying that a doctor should not advise against a particular vaccine for a particular client based on the specifics of the situation.

Yes, they are. Your desire to restrict 'quacks' is laudable, but that's the desired outcome, not the measure being proposed. In law you don't get to choose the outcome, only the measure being proposed. And what is being proposed is clearly laid out - that a doctor who ventures an opinion, in a manner that turns out to be false, and which has public health implications, be barred from the profession. Note that covers journal publications, seminars, a website, any form of public speaking, etc.

However, if they are deliberately misinforming their clients (not the general public), then they are incompetent...

That's not in the proposal, which is not about advice given to patients, but covers any opinion, however expressed, including scientific research.

You realise doctors are already threatened with libel for casting doubt or expressing reservations about new drugs or medicines? The author is simply seeking to make the existing restrictions that little bit tighter, so that when you visit a doctor you don't get his professional opinion, but an agreed standard opinion enforced by the state.
 
Since when did quackpottery in a professionally licensed field become an issue of free speech?
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Vaccines can be harmful. Just like any medicine can be harmful. In general a vaccine will do more good than harm, but not all the time. That's part of why we vaccinate for some diseases and not others. A doctor, when giving medical advice, considers both the upsides and the downsides of particular advice to their particular treatment.
If a doctor is suggesting a patient with leukemia shouldn't get a vaccine because it could kill them, that would be a good judgment. A doctor suggesting a patient shouldn't be vaccinated because of Jenny McCarthy, that would be a bad judgment.

Which judgment are you talking about?
 
1) Science consists of proposing hypotheses, and testing them to see whether they are factual.
2) This necessarily includes proposing hypotheses that existing and current treatments are incorrect
3) Singling out those who do so for public disaprobation and depriving them of their livelihood, is contrary to the principles of science.

Practicing physicians are not, by this definition, scientists. Or can you show that Dr. Wolfson the Arizona cardiologist dabbles in double-blind vaccine safety trials on the side?

Practicing physicians are, however, subject to regulation and oversight by the licensing body of the state in which they practice, and if that body decides a medical professional counselling patients to avoid vaccination without a demonstrated medical need constitutes medical malpractice, the body is entirely within its rights (and mandate) to revoke the medical professional's license to practice medicine.
 
and if that body decides a medical professional counselling patients to avoid vaccination without a demonstrated medical need constitutes medical malpractice, the body is entirely within its rights (and mandate) to revoke the medical professional's license to practice medicine.
Exactly.
The doc's license does not remove or hinder his free speech right to advocate for or against vaccines, or scarification.... he can talk fondly of slavery, wisely about UFO abductions, knowingly about CIA assassinations to swing the election process or how the fluouridation of our water impinges upon the purity of our essences.
But as a medical professional, imparting medical advice is something that can be regulated by the regulatory body that was created to keep snake oil salesmen from being primary care physicians. It's not a free speech issue, it's malpractice.
 
Agreed, physicians are not scientists. They are more akin to auto mechanics. Some do actual science and are scientist as some mechanics design and build cars and engines.

If a mechanic refuses to replace brake pads when worn...
 
l, imparting medical advice is something that can be regulated by the regulatory body that was created to keep snake oil salesmen from being primary care physicians. It's not a free speech issue, it's malpractice.

Is it common for state medical licensing boards to dictate acceptable/unacceptable medical treatments?
 
l, imparting medical advice is something that can be regulated by the regulatory body that was created to keep snake oil salesmen from being primary care physicians. It's not a free speech issue, it's malpractice.

Is it common for state medical licensing boards to dictate acceptable/unacceptable medical treatments?

No.
 
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Vaccines can be harmful. Just like any medicine can be harmful. In general a vaccine will do more good than harm, but not all the time. That's part of why we vaccinate for some diseases and not others. A doctor, when giving medical advice, considers both the upsides and the downsides of particular advice to their particular treatment.

Which means a doctor needs to be able to recommend against a particular vaccine.

No vaccine would be on the market if there wasn't a situation where it was a good idea.

Thus any blanket advice against a vaccine is wrong.

It's perfectly reasonable to say that certain people shouldn't be vaccinated.
 
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Vaccines can be harmful. Just like any medicine can be harmful. In general a vaccine will do more good than harm, but not all the time. That's part of why we vaccinate for some diseases and not others. A doctor, when giving medical advice, considers both the upsides and the downsides of particular advice to their particular treatment.

Which means a doctor needs to be able to recommend against a particular vaccine.

No vaccine would be on the market if there wasn't a situation where it was a good idea.

Thus any blanket advice against a vaccine is wrong.

It's perfectly reasonable to say that certain people shouldn't be vaccinated.
A better way to put it, the bar gets higher and higher on safety based on the number of people who will be taking the drug or injection. When nearly 100% of a population takes something, the bar is very very high.
 
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Vaccines can be harmful. Just like any medicine can be harmful. In general a vaccine will do more good than harm, but not all the time. That's part of why we vaccinate for some diseases and not others. A doctor, when giving medical advice, considers both the upsides and the downsides of particular advice to their particular treatment.

Which means a doctor needs to be able to recommend against a particular vaccine.

Ok, that's step one. Now the question is, do we legislate to quash minority reports? The advantage is that the public don't get confused and demand poor medical treatment, but the downsides are legion. Decreased trust in doctor's opinions, a backlash against government control over doctor's advice, supression of valid concerns over medical treatment, inhibition of research, inhibition of free exchange of ideas, an increase in the use of unlicensed doctors.

Add that to the fact that attempts to supress or control information tend to backfire horribly, and are monumentally ineffective. How many people refusing vaccination actually subscribe to a medical journal, and how many are just going based on what they've heard. And which is a more effective argument vaccination? That there is a single doctor who disagrees with a particular vaccination, even though his peers openly disagree with him? Or that most doctors probably support vaccination but we'll never know how many don't because all discussion of vaccination effectiveness has been banned?

So, to summarise, the proposal is to crush free speech, ban doctors from freely discussing science, ban doctors from particular recommendations, and in doing so greatly increase the vaccination refusal rate? This is a monumentumentally stupid idea. It's contrary to the principles of liberty, it's contrary to the principles of science, and it helps to destroy the very hard-won public trust that makes vaccination programs feasible in the first place.

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Free speech? Not so free as to harm others. Doctors are sworn to do no harm. Advising all people to reject vaccinations because they are bad for anyone does nothing but harm and does no good at all. This is a violation worthy of stripping their license to practice... no different than a lawyer losing their license for making false claims in a court of law... or an electrician losing their license for killing a family because he does not "believe in" proper grounding or the use of GFI's near water sources.
What do you do for a living, Togo?.. happy to give you an analogy that might hit home for you a little better.
 
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So, to summarise, the proposal is to crush free speech, ban doctors from freely discussing science, ban doctors from particular recommendations, and in doing so greatly increase the vaccination refusal rate? This is a monumentumentally stupid idea. It's contrary to the principles of liberty, it's contrary to the principles of science, and it helps to destroy the very hard-won public trust that makes vaccination programs feasible in the first place.

Ok, that's step one. Now the question is, do we legislate to quash minority reports?

Well, according to the author, this isn't mere "minority reports." The author asserts the opinion of these doctors is contrary to the evidence. The author intimates the statements made by those doctors opposing measles vaccination are false. So, for the author, he isn't advocating to "quash minority reports" but rather to preclude doctors from giving false medical advice, making false medical statements, and publicly asserting false medical claims.

Second, the author is stating the false claims made by these doctors is potentially harmful not only to the patient but to society. It isn't difficult to perceive of the argument. Vaccinations protect the individual and society collectively under the principle of "herd immunity." If enough people refuse to be vaccinated, then "herd immunity" is eroded and there is an increased likelihood for a harmful disease to manifest and spread. He invokes the recent spread of measles, which is now in 18 jurisdictions, 124 reported cases, 102 cases in 12 states, and on pace to surpass the 644 reported cases of measles in 2014.http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/02/09/measles-outbreak-spreads-to-three-more-states-121-people-now-affected/

"According to the CDC, much of the outbreak is attributable to unvaccinated people who acquired the disease during travel abroad. Although medical facts show there is no evidence to support the argument that vaccinations aren’t safe, they aren’t enough to persuade those who are committed to their beliefs." http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rents-who-refuse-to-vaccinate-their-children/

Vaccines can be harmful. Just like any medicine can be harmful. In general a vaccine will do more good than harm, but not all the time. That's part of why we vaccinate for some diseases and not others. A doctor, when giving medical advice, considers both the upsides and the downsides of particular advice to their particular treatment.

Which means a doctor needs to be able to recommend against a particular vaccine.

I do not think, based on the author's comments, he is opposed to a doctor discussing the possible "upsides and downsides" of vaccinations. Rather the author is asserting such a conversation needs to be based in the evidence and not so devoid of evidentiary support to constitute as "anecdote, myth, hearsay, rumor, ideology, fraud."

supression of valid concerns over medical treatment, inhibition of research, inhibition of free exchange of ideas, an increase in the use of unlicensed doctors.

None of these are jeopardized by the suggestion of the author. Furthermore, no argument or evidence has been presented to reliably believe those are implications from the course of conduct advocated by the author.

So, to summarise, the proposal is to crush free speech

Well, no, because there does not exist any free speech right to false speech which harms the public. The author's position is 1.) The speech is false and 2.) Such false speech is harmful to the public or in the alternative is perhaps more likely than not to harm the public. For clarification purposes, it appears the author's notion of "false" speech in this context is a medical claim or assertion lacking any credible evidence to support it or devoid of evidence in support.

ban doctors from freely discussing science

This is not what the author advocated and neither is it clear this is an implication of his suggestion.

It's contrary to the principles of liberty

In the U.S., false statements which harm the public or have a certain risk of doing so is not protected by the free speech clause and is not the kind of liberty practiced in the U.S. After all, there isn't any liberty interest or free speech protection for "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater." Schenk v. United States.

it's contrary to the principles of science

Interesting. I was not aware a principle of science was to permit doctor's to make false medical claims when those claims are contradicted by the evidence or not supported by the evidence. (The author certainly assumes those statements are false and the sources I cited in this thread invoke authorities' statements the claims about vaccines/measles vaccines are false.)
 
1) Science consists of proposing hypotheses, and testing them to see whether they are factual.
2) This necessarily includes proposing hypotheses that existing and current treatments are incorrect
3) Singling out those who do so for public disaprobation and depriving them of their livelihood, is contrary to the principles of science.

I sympathize with the danger of the slippy slope you are highlighting, but doctors who claim "Vaccines cause autism" are not doing anything you refer to in points 1 and 2, and are in fact directly violating those core principles of science.
Saying "Vaccines cause autism" is not proposing a hypothesis but rather asserting something as a true factual conclusion, despite actual scientific tests of the idea showing beyond reasonable doubt that the claim is false. Competent scientists and science-based practitioners (which is what a med license implies) can happen to be wrong despite honest and reasonable efforts to be correct. But the examples given are not about being wrong, but about saying things in one's role as a practitioner that any minimally competent person at the time knows is wrong.
A license practitioner's basic job requirement is to apply the scientifically established best methods and scientific ideas.
They can have all their own non-scientifically validated ideas they want, but those should have nothing to do with how they practice. They must apply consensus scientific knowledge. If a doctor who is also a scientists wants to conduct a study to test the hypothesis that vaccines cause autism, they are free to do so and have done so and have shown the hypothesis false. If honest and competent analysis of the results of a study are consistent with their being a link, then they are free to say so about their particular study. However, such a single study doesn't come close to supporting a general claim that "Vaccines cause autism", and it would be recklessly dishonest and unscientific to even discuss the implications of their one study without pointing out the mountain of other studies that contradict it. In sum, it is not about being wrong, but about saying something as a practitioner that any competent knowledge of the evidence strongly suggest are wrong. In fact, such statements might even occasionally turn out to be correct but if the current body of evidence suggest otherwise, then that is all that matters for practitioner competence. Their job is not to say shit that may or may not turn out to be correct, but to say things that at the time they say them are established upon to totality of the current science as most likely to be correct.

Your approach would essentially eliminate the State's power for ever revoking any doctor's license for anything they ever say to their patients, including "You're going to die painfully, just kill yourself now", even when no plausible threat of death or suffering exists. The doctor could just claim "It is my hypothesis that a sprained ankle usually leads to painful death, and my hypothesis that telling people this and to commit suicide tends to get them motivated to do what is needed to avoid those consequences."


That's not in the proposal, which is not about advice given to patients, but covers any opinion, however expressed, including scientific research.
No, the proposal is solely about practitioner licenses which inherently have to do with dealing with patients. An unlicensed doctor can still do all the research they want and make all the claims they want.


The author is simply seeking to make the existing restrictions that little bit tighter, so that when you visit a doctor you don't get his professional opinion, but an agreed standard opinion enforced by the state.

The very definition of a state issued medical license is that you demonstrate ability and willingness to apply scientifically agreed upon knowledge and related methods and not you own personal opinion you got from a drug induced dream. In fact, only if the doctor's opinion conforms to established scientific knowledge can it be said to be a "professional" opinion, otherwise it his personal unprofessional opinion. Doctors still must reason and make decisions about how the particulars of specific cases are informed by that more general knowledge. But if they show gross errors in reasoning when making such decisions, then that speaks to the minimal competence that the license implies, thus they should be open to both lawsuit and license revocation.
In contrast, doctors should not be open to punishment or lawsuits simply because a negative outcome occurred or even if a different choice would have prevented it in hindsight. So long as the choice they made was a reasonable application of agreed upon standard knowledge which sometimes does not clearly distinguish between choice options, and so long as the patient was not led to believe the risks were less than they were, then there should be zero punishment to the doctor.

It should be clear to you that a state should be allowed to dictate what practices the license they issue allows. Now, if you want to say that people should be allowed to provide healthcare without a license, that is another matter. The fact is that they already can give all the healthcare advice they want in public forums, and if their methods don't pose plausible direct danger, the State usually allows it (as they do with homeopathy, accupuncture, etc..).
So, do you advocate zero regulation of medical practices and no requirements for licence?
 
I think the argument for revoking a license based on vaccination stance seems sound, but what about other lines in other practices? Naturopathy/homeopathy? Chiropractic 'medicine'? There are tons of practitioners out there providing services and recommending procedures based on very unsound science - most of whom carry the title 'Doctor'. How are we going to get all the quackery in line?

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the usual way: batons, rubber bullets and pepper spray
 
I think the argument for revoking a license based on vaccination stance seems sound, but what about other lines in other practices? Naturopathy/homeopathy? Chiropractic 'medicine'? There are tons of practitioners out there providing services and recommending procedures based on very unsound science - most of whom carry the title 'Doctor'. How are we going to get all the quackery in line?

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This is America, shit only matters if you are endangered, not if some fool loses their money on quack science.
 
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