“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

[peacegirl]

I'm not sure where this negates real-time vision?

During a lunar eclipse, the Moon appears "bronze" because its orbit takes it between the Sun and Earth, blocking the view from Earth to Sun. The Moon's orbit is tilted slightly against Earth's orbit, causing it to pass either "above" or "below" the Sun during new moon situations. Additionally, during a lunar eclipse, the Moon is actually lit by a reddish light due to the Earth's atmosphere acting like a piece of red glass between the Sun and Moon.

There is no real time vision.

Wrong

Light is emitted from the sun and reflected off the moon and the earth, and as light has a given speed, what we see is determined by the time it takes light to travel between the object to the eye, where it is absorbed, converted to electrical impulses, which the brain converts into vision: we see the object as it was when the light was emitted or reflected.

That is how it works.

You think that’s how it works. He showed that the eyes are not a sense organ for the reasons given. Nothing really changes as far as the cones and rods and the optic nerve. The main difference is the present belief that the brain interprets the impulses as an image rather than the impulses allowing a connection to seeing the real world, through the eyes, as the world is, not as it was. This is not so far-fetched that it’s an impossibility. Isn’t that what the scientific method is all about? This is not like flying elephants. If this group is not interested because they are so sure he’s wrong, then there is nothing more I can say. I’m not asking anyone to agree. I’m asking them to keep an open-mind.

 

[DBT]

I'm not sure where this negates real-time vision?

During a lunar eclipse, the Moon appears "bronze" because its orbit takes it between the Sun and Earth, blocking the view from Earth to Sun. The Moon's orbit is tilted slightly against Earth's orbit, causing it to pass either "above" or "below" the Sun during new moon situations. Additionally, during a lunar eclipse, the Moon is actually lit by a reddish light due to the Earth's atmosphere acting like a piece of red glass between the Sun and Moon.

There is no real time vision.

Wrong

Light is emitted from the sun and reflected off the moon and the earth, and as light has a given speed, what we see is determined by the time it takes light to travel between the object to the eye, where it is absorbed, converted to electrical impulses, which the brain converts into vision: we see the object as it was when the light was emitted or reflected.

That is how it works.

You think that’s how it works. He showed that the eyes are not a sense organ for the reasons given. Nothing really changes as far as the cones and rods and the optic nerve. The main difference is the present belief that the brain interprets the impulses as an image rather than the impulses allowing a connection to seeing the real world, through the eyes, as the world is, not as it was. This is not so far-fetched that it’s an impossibility. Isn’t that what the scientific method is all about? This is not like flying elephants. If this group is not interested because they are so sure he’s wrong, then there is nothing more I can say. I’m not asking anyone to agree. I’m asking them to keep an open-mind.

It's not about what I or anyone else thinks or believes, but how the world works, the physics of matter/energy, the speed of light in relation to distance. That given the distance to the sun and the speed of light, it has to take 8.7 minutes for the light to reach our eyes.

It can't be any other way. There is no means or mechanisms to enable instance seeing. The author is wrong about this.