“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

[peacegirl]

Dogs recognize a person by sight, sound and smell.

Not by sight alone.

The evidence suggests otherwise;

''According to veterinarians, the answer to both of those questions, is yes — under the right circumstances. Dogs can distinguish between different people based on appearance at that time. In other words, if you’re sporting a drastically different hair style or are wearing a uniform instead of your everyday clothing, your dog may not be able to identify you in a picture.


Research does show that dogs can identify a familiar person in a photograph.

Show me the proof, that’s all I’m asking. It can’t be that hard.

In a study published in the Journal of Vision, 12 beagles and 12 cats were given individual handlers who worked with them two hours a day for six months. Afterwards, they were given a visual test to recognize the face of their handler versus a non-handler. The result? The dogs chose the face of their handlers 88% of the time, while the cats chose their handlers 55% of the time.’

Again, just show me the proof.

Additionally, these dogs were also able to identify the face of an animal that lived with them. In fact, they chose the familiar animal more often than an unfamiliar animal. The study found that dogs chose the face of a dog they knew 85% of the time, while the felines chose the face of a familiar feline 91% of the time.''

Can your dog recognize you in pictures?

Can your dog recognize you in pictures? Science shows that dogs have the ability to differentiate between faces in photographs!

www.morrisanimalinn.com

Photos of people are a different matter. But there are experiments where a dog recognizes pictures of objects. The dog is shown a picture, then collect the pictured object (a toy) from a selection of different toys scattered on the floor in another room.

That could be true. Do you know of any video that shows this? There was a dog named Chase that could identify over a thousand toys by name. But this still does not prove dogs can identify individual features from a still photograph or a computer screen. They should be able to by wagging a tail or some other show of recognition if the image of their master was traveling to their eyes.

''There's a growing pile of puppy research suggesting that dogs can indeed recognize their fellow furry friends and their humans in photos. It's not just wishful thinking when we see their ears perk up as they gaze at a picture of their pack. And while they might not be ready to join the art critique circuit, dogs do process visual info in their own special way.''

Can Dogs See Pictures?

Ever caught your pup staring longingly at a photo of you two from last summer's beach trip? Or maybe Fido seems to give a tail-wag of approval whenever he spots a picture of his doggy pals. It's enough to make you wonder: "Can dogs see pictures?" The answer is yes! And not just see them, but...

westandwillow.com

DBT, I’m still waiting for and tiny evidence

That a dog can fetch an object according to the picture shown is evidence that the dog recognises the object in the image and relates it to the actual object, ie, a dog is able to recognise objects in pictures according to how their senses acquire information and their brain processes it.

I have never seen a dog fetch an object from looking at a picture of said object. He could possibly be trained to see a picture and find the real object by rewarding him. Even birds can be trained that way. I’d like to seei a video showing this. But this is not the same as true recognition of a family member or master.

 

[peacegirl]

Of course, we see everything, and do everything, NOW, for NOW is all we ever have. Just as where ever we find ourselves is by definition HERE, whenever we find ourselves is by definition NOW. So, in that sense, we see in “real time,” but this is not the sense peacegirl means. Just as we see the sun NOW, as it looked 8.5 minutes in the past, so too do we see the image of Abraham Lincoln in a book NOW, as he was some 160 years in the past.

We would see the Sun in a book NOW if we were looking at it in a book of old images, just like seeing Abraham Lincoln in a book NOW, as he was some 160 years ago. But Abraham Lincoln is dead. We only see images of him from times gone by. The Sun is not dead. It is shining NOW. We are seeing it shining NOW when we look at it in the sky, not 81/2 minutes in the past. What do you think you’ve proven by this poor analogy? Nothing!

 

[DBT]

Dogs recognize a person by sight, sound and smell.

Not by sight alone.

The evidence suggests otherwise;

''According to veterinarians, the answer to both of those questions, is yes — under the right circumstances. Dogs can distinguish between different people based on appearance at that time. In other words, if you’re sporting a drastically different hair style or are wearing a uniform instead of your everyday clothing, your dog may not be able to identify you in a picture.


Research does show that dogs can identify a familiar person in a photograph.

Show me the proof, that’s all I’m asking. It can’t be that hard.

In a study published in the Journal of Vision, 12 beagles and 12 cats were given individual handlers who worked with them two hours a day for six months. Afterwards, they were given a visual test to recognize the face of their handler versus a non-handler. The result? The dogs chose the face of their handlers 88% of the time, while the cats chose their handlers 55% of the time.’

Again, just show me the proof.

Additionally, these dogs were also able to identify the face of an animal that lived with them. In fact, they chose the familiar animal more often than an unfamiliar animal. The study found that dogs chose the face of a dog they knew 85% of the time, while the felines chose the face of a familiar feline 91% of the time.''

Can your dog recognize you in pictures?

Can your dog recognize you in pictures? Science shows that dogs have the ability to differentiate between faces in photographs!

www.morrisanimalinn.com

Photos of people are a different matter. But there are experiments where a dog recognizes pictures of objects. The dog is shown a picture, then collect the pictured object (a toy) from a selection of different toys scattered on the floor in another room.

That could be true. Do you know of any video that shows this? There was a dog named Chase that could identify over a thousand toys by name. But this still does not prove dogs can identify individual features from a still photograph or a computer screen. They should be able to by wagging a tail or some other show of recognition if the image of their master was traveling to their eyes.

''There's a growing pile of puppy research suggesting that dogs can indeed recognize their fellow furry friends and their humans in photos. It's not just wishful thinking when we see their ears perk up as they gaze at a picture of their pack. And while they might not be ready to join the art critique circuit, dogs do process visual info in their own special way.''

Can Dogs See Pictures?

Ever caught your pup staring longingly at a photo of you two from last summer's beach trip? Or maybe Fido seems to give a tail-wag of approval whenever he spots a picture of his doggy pals. It's enough to make you wonder: "Can dogs see pictures?" The answer is yes! And not just see them, but...

westandwillow.com

DBT, I’m still waiting for and tiny evidence

That a dog can fetch an object according to the picture shown is evidence that the dog recognises the object in the image and relates it to the actual object, ie, a dog is able to recognise objects in pictures according to how their senses acquire information and their brain processes it.

I have never seen a dog fetch an object from looking at a picture of said object. He could possibly be trained to see a picture and find the real object by rewarding him. Even birds can be trained that way. I’d like to seei a video showing this. But this is not the same as true recognition of a family member or master.

I can't find the specific border collie picture toy experiment, but there is plenty of material on the cognitive abilities of dog, word and picture recognition, associating words and pictures to real objects, etc;

''Prior studies suggested that dogs typically rely on vision, or a combination of sight and smell, to locate target objects. A few dogs can also identify objects based on verbal labels, which the authors call "gifted word learner" (GWL) dogs. "Just like humans, GWL dogs not only recognize the labeled objects—or categories of objects—as stimuli they have already encountered, but they also identify them among other similarly familiar named objects, based on their verbal labels," the authors wrote. They wanted to investigate whether GWL dogs have an enhanced ability to discriminate and/or recognize objects compared to typical dogs.''

Study sheds light on how dogs recognize their favorite toys

Dogs construct “multisensory mental representations” by encoding different features.

arstechnica.com

 

[DBT]

Of course, we see everything, and do everything, NOW, for NOW is all we ever have. Just as where ever we find ourselves is by definition HERE, whenever we find ourselves is by definition NOW. So, in that sense, we see in “real time,” but this is not the sense peacegirl means. Just as we see the sun NOW, as it looked 8.5 minutes in the past, so too do we see the image of Abraham Lincoln in a book NOW, as he was some 160 years in the past.

We would see the Sun in a book NOW if we were looking at it in a book of old images, just like seeing Abraham Lincoln in a book NOW, as he was some 160 years ago. But Abraham Lincoln is dead. We only see images of him from times gone by. The Sun is not dead. It is shining NOW. We are seeing it shining NOW when we look at it in the sky, not 81/2 minutes in the past. What do you think you’ve proven by this poor analogy? Nothing!

We are seeing an image of the sun as it was about 8.5 minutes ago. The image is formed by our brain based on the information provided by the light that was radiated from the sun 8.5 minutes ago.

 

[DBT]

Here's more;

"After an initial training period where the dogs are rewarded for choosing pictures from a certain group, they were presented with different categorization tasks. The results showed that dogs are capable of choosing images of dogs over other animals, regardless of the extreme variability between breeds. Even without extra training, when they had a chance to interact with other dogs for less than a month, they were also capable of picking pictures of those dogs amongst those of strange dogs. There was no difference in their success rate when only presented face or body pictures alone and at different angles."

Can Your Dog Recognize You From a Picture?

Have you ever considered sending a picture of yourself to your beloved dog while he’s waiting for your return from vacation? Most of us would probably not think of this as anything meaningful to the dog. Yet, research is now showing that dogs are very capable of recognizing people from their...

smartanimaltraining.com

 

[pood]

Of course, we see everything, and do everything, NOW, for NOW is all we ever have. Just as where ever we find ourselves is by definition HERE, whenever we find ourselves is by definition NOW. So, in that sense, we see in “real time,” but this is not the sense peacegirl means. Just as we see the sun NOW, as it looked 8.5 minutes in the past, so too do we see the image of Abraham Lincoln in a book NOW, as he was some 160 years in the past.

We would see the Sun in a book NOW if we were looking at it in a book of old images, just like seeing Abraham Lincoln in a book NOW, as he was some 160 years ago. But Abraham Lincoln is dead. We only see images of him from times gone by. The Sun is not dead. It is shining NOW. We are seeing it shining NOW when we look at it in the sky, not 81/2 minutes in the past. What do you think you’ve proven by this poor analogy? Nothing!

What do you think you’ve proven by your latest word salad? Nothing, alas. Every time we look at the sun, we are seeing it as it was 8.5 minutes in the past. Sorry if that makes you furious.

 

[pood]

Once yet again, for the hard of learning.

 

[peacegirl]

Dogs recognize a person by sight, sound and smell.

Not by sight alone.

The evidence suggests otherwise;

''According to veterinarians, the answer to both of those questions, is yes — under the right circumstances. Dogs can distinguish between different people based on appearance at that time. In other words, if you’re sporting a drastically different hair style or are wearing a uniform instead of your everyday clothing, your dog may not be able to identify you in a picture.


Research does show that dogs can identify a familiar person in a photograph.

Show me the proof, that’s all I’m asking. It can’t be that hard.

In a study published in the Journal of Vision, 12 beagles and 12 cats were given individual handlers who worked with them two hours a day for six months. Afterwards, they were given a visual test to recognize the face of their handler versus a non-handler. The result? The dogs chose the face of their handlers 88% of the time, while the cats chose their handlers 55% of the time.’

Again, just show me the proof.

Additionally, these dogs were also able to identify the face of an animal that lived with them. In fact, they chose the familiar animal more often than an unfamiliar animal. The study found that dogs chose the face of a dog they knew 85% of the time, while the felines chose the face of a familiar feline 91% of the time.''

Can your dog recognize you in pictures?

Can your dog recognize you in pictures? Science shows that dogs have the ability to differentiate between faces in photographs!

www.morrisanimalinn.com

Photos of people are a different matter. But there are experiments where a dog recognizes pictures of objects. The dog is shown a picture, then collect the pictured object (a toy) from a selection of different toys scattered on the floor in another room.

That could be true. Do you know of any video that shows this? There was a dog named Chase that could identify over a thousand toys by name. But this still does not prove dogs can identify individual features from a still photograph or a computer screen. They should be able to by wagging a tail or some other show of recognition if the image of their master was traveling to their eyes.

Replicate it.

''There's a growing pile of puppy research suggesting that dogs can indeed recognize their fellow furry friends and their humans in photos. It's not just wishful thinking when we see their ears perk up as they gaze at a picture of their pack. And while they might not be ready to join the art critique circuit, dogs do process visual info in their own special way.''

Can Dogs See Pictures?

Ever caught your pup staring longingly at a photo of you two from last summer's beach trip? Or maybe Fido seems to give a tail-wag of approval whenever he spots a picture of his doggy pals. It's enough to make you wonder: "Can dogs see pictures?" The answer is yes! And not just see them, but...

westandwillow.com

Where is the evidence?

DBT, I’m still waiting for and tiny evidence

That a dog can fetch an object according to the picture shown is evidence that the dog recognises the object in the image and relates it to the actual object, ie, a dog is able to recognise objects in pictures according to how their senses acquire information and their brain processes it.

The brain does process information, but show me where a dog can recognize their master in a picture. This is so far from proof, it's a joke.

 

[peacegirl]

Here's more;

"After an initial training period where the dogs are rewarded for choosing pictures from a certain group, they were presented with different categorization tasks. The results showed that dogs are capable of choosing images of dogs over other animals, regardless of the extreme variability between breeds. Even without extra training, when they had a chance to interact with other dogs for less than a month, they were also capable of picking pictures of those dogs amongst those of strange dogs. There was no difference in their success rate when only presented face or body pictures alone and at different angles."

Can Your Dog Recognize You From a Picture?

Have you ever considered sending a picture of yourself to your beloved dog while he’s waiting for your return from vacation? Most of us would probably not think of this as anything meaningful to the dog. Yet, research is now showing that dogs are very capable of recognizing people from their...

smartanimaltraining.com

This is not about training. A dog should be able to recognize his master from the light traveling to his eye without any props. I have never seen this ability. Show me I'm wrong.

 

[pood]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

 

[peacegirl]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

Absolutely not. You never showed this in any conclusive way. You're just trying to make a square fit into a hole. It won't work because dogs cannot identify their human partners from a picture. They should if their eyes are a sense organ. You said there are videos. I don't remember seeing any that showed this without some kind of manipulation of the variables.

 

[pood]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

Absolutely not. You never showed this in any conclusive way. You're just trying to make a square fit into a hole. It won't work because dogs cannot identify their human partners from a picture. They should if their eyes are a sense organ. You said there are videos. I don't remember seeing any that showed this without some kind of manipulation of the variables.

Pure bullshit. You believe what you believe because Daddy said so.

Also, yet again, for the hard of learning.

 

[peacegirl]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

Absolutely not. You never showed this in any conclusive way. You're just trying to make a square fit into a hole. It won't work because dogs cannot identify their human partners from a picture. They should if their eyes are a sense organ. You said there are videos. I don't remember seeing any that showed this without some kind of manipulation of the variables.

Pure bullshit. You believe what you believe because Daddy said so.

Also, yet again, for the hard of learning.

This is not an answer. Again, show me the proof. Show me where a picture is shown to a dog of his master without any kind of training, and he recognizes his master with a show of excitement (barking, wagging a tail, whimpering, circling, jumping, putting his nose up to the picture, etc.) They can even use a master that has been away, and the dog misses him by previous examples of when he came home from the service after months of being missed. If the light waves from the picture are traveling to his eye, recognition should be immediate. What is it that you don't understand?

 

[pood]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

Absolutely not. You never showed this in any conclusive way. You're just trying to make a square fit into a hole. It won't work because dogs cannot identify their human partners from a picture. They should if their eyes are a sense organ. You said there are videos. I don't remember seeing any that showed this without some kind of manipulation of the variables.

Pure bullshit. You believe what you believe because Daddy said so.

Also, yet again, for the hard of learning.

This is not an answer. Again, show me the proof. Show me where a picture is shown to a dog of his master without any kind of training, and he recognizes his master with a show of excitement (barking, wagging a tail, whimpering, circling, jumping, putting his nose up to the picture, etc.) They can even use a master that has been away, and the dog misses him by previous examples of when he came home from the service after months of being missed. If the light waves from the picture are traveling to his eye, recognition should be immediate. What is it that you don't understand?

I understand perfectly well that you are totally uneducable.

 

[peacegirl]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

Absolutely not. You never showed this in any conclusive way. You're just trying to make a square fit into a hole. It won't work because dogs cannot identify their human partners from a picture. They should if their eyes are a sense organ. You said there are videos. I don't remember seeing any that showed this without some kind of manipulation of the variables.

Pure bullshit. You believe what you believe because Daddy said so.

Also, yet again, for the hard of learning.

This is not an answer. Again, show me the proof. Show me where a picture is shown to a dog of his master without any kind of training, and he recognizes his master with a show of excitement (barking, wagging a tail, whimpering, circling, jumping, putting his nose up to the picture, etc.) They can even use a master that has been away, and the dog misses him by previous examples of when he came home from the service after months of being missed. If the light waves from the picture are traveling to his eye, recognition should be immediate. What is it that you don't understand?

I understand perfectly well that you are totally uneducable.

That's no answer Pood and you know it. A dog should be able to easily recognize his master from a picture if his eyes are sensing the image embedded in the light. I have never seen a dog do this without other cues. Maybe someone can come forward with an example that shows this.

 

[pood]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

Absolutely not. You never showed this in any conclusive way. You're just trying to make a square fit into a hole. It won't work because dogs cannot identify their human partners from a picture. They should if their eyes are a sense organ. You said there are videos. I don't remember seeing any that showed this without some kind of manipulation of the variables.

Pure bullshit. You believe what you believe because Daddy said so.

Also, yet again, for the hard of learning.

This is not an answer. Again, show me the proof. Show me where a picture is shown to a dog of his master without any kind of training, and he recognizes his master with a show of excitement (barking, wagging a tail, whimpering, circling, jumping, putting his nose up to the picture, etc.) They can even use a master that has been away, and the dog misses him by previous examples of when he came home from the service after months of being missed. If the light waves from the picture are traveling to his eye, recognition should be immediate. What is it that you don't understand?

I understand perfectly well that you are totally uneducable.

That's no answer Pood and you know it. A dog should be able to easily recognize his master from a picture if his eyes are sensing the image embedded in the light. I have never seen a dog do this without other cues. Maybe someone can come forward with an example that shows this.

We have already given you tons of examples. This entire conversation is idiotic, particularly since, even if a dog couldn’t recognize its master by sight alone, it does not follow that the eye is not a sense organ. The claim that they eye is not a sense organ is just blithering idiocy.

 

[peacegirl]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

Absolutely not. You never showed this in any conclusive way. You're just trying to make a square fit into a hole. It won't work because dogs cannot identify their human partners from a picture. They should if their eyes are a sense organ. You said there are videos. I don't remember seeing any that showed this without some kind of manipulation of the variables.

Pure bullshit. You believe what you believe because Daddy said so.

Also, yet again, for the hard of learning.

This is not an answer. Again, show me the proof. Show me where a picture is shown to a dog of his master without any kind of training, and he recognizes his master with a show of excitement (barking, wagging a tail, whimpering, circling, jumping, putting his nose up to the picture, etc.) They can even use a master that has been away, and the dog misses him by previous examples of when he came home from the service after months of being missed. If the light waves from the picture are traveling to his eye, recognition should be immediate. What is it that you don't understand?

I understand perfectly well that you are totally uneducable.

That's no answer Pood and you know it. A dog should be able to easily recognize his master from a picture if his eyes are sensing the image embedded in the light. I have never seen a dog do this without other cues. Maybe someone can come forward with an example that shows this.

We have already given you tons of examples.

Bullshit. You haven't.

This entire conversation is idiotic, particularly since, even if a dog couldn’t recognize its master by sight alone,

You have not proven that this is the case. You keep saying it over and over but you won't accept that the examples you gave involved training a dog to see patterns. Or it used words that the dog could recognize like Chase, the border collie. That's not what I'm talking about. Why are you conflating two different issues?

it does not follow that the eye is not a sense organ. The claim that they eye is not a sense organ is just blithering idiocy.

That's because you think it's blasphemous for anyone to think differently than your geniuses, and also because so much of your worldview hinges on relativity. Some things are relative, and some things are not. Seeing in real time changes a lot of what you have taken for granted is true and you hate it.

 

[steve_bank]

Dogs go by smell and sound.as well. They obviously recognize voices.

When they meet a new person they sniff around him or her.

Non human species have a flight or fight mode as we do, they key on body language and tone of vocalizations from other critters not just humans.

Back in the 90s I was living in a small town up in North Idaho. A neighbors dog would perk up and pust its paws up on a railing looking down the road before I could see or hear their car.

 

[pood]

Bullshit. We’ve shown numerous scientific studies that dogs can recognize their masters from sight alone in photos and videos.

Absolutely not. You never showed this in any conclusive way. You're just trying to make a square fit into a hole. It won't work because dogs cannot identify their human partners from a picture. They should if their eyes are a sense organ. You said there are videos. I don't remember seeing any that showed this without some kind of manipulation of the variables.

Pure bullshit. You believe what you believe because Daddy said so.

Also, yet again, for the hard of learning.

This is not an answer. Again, show me the proof. Show me where a picture is shown to a dog of his master without any kind of training, and he recognizes his master with a show of excitement (barking, wagging a tail, whimpering, circling, jumping, putting his nose up to the picture, etc.) They can even use a master that has been away, and the dog misses him by previous examples of when he came home from the service after months of being missed. If the light waves from the picture are traveling to his eye, recognition should be immediate. What is it that you don't understand?

I understand perfectly well that you are totally uneducable.

That's no answer Pood and you know it. A dog should be able to easily recognize his master from a picture if his eyes are sensing the image embedded in the light. I have never seen a dog do this without other cues. Maybe someone can come forward with an example that shows this.

We have already given you tons of examples.

Bullshit. You haven't.

This entire conversation is idiotic, particularly since, even if a dog couldn’t recognize its master by sight alone,

You have not proven that this is the case. You keep saying it over and over but you won't accept that the examples you gave involved training a dog to see patterns. Or it used words that the dog could recognize like Chase, the border collie. That's not what I'm talking about. Why are you conflating two different issues?

it does not follow that the eye is not a sense organ. The claim that they eye is not a sense organ is just blithering idiocy.

That's because you think it's blasphemous for anyone to think differently than your geniuses, and also because so much of your worldview hinges on relativity. Some things are relative, and some things are not. Seeing in real time changes a lot of what you have taken for granted is true and you hate it.

Ad hom. I am going to go back and report every ad hom post.

 

[peacegirl]

Dogs go by smell and sound.as well. They obviously recognize voices.

True.

When they meet a new person they sniff around him or her.

That's because they identify through smell.

Non human species have a flight or fight mode as we do, they key on body language and tone of vocalizations from other critters not just humans.

I'm not debating that.

Back in the 90s I was living in a small town up in North Idaho. A neighbors dog would perk up and pust its paws up on a railing looking down the road before I could see or hear their car.

Animals learn to anticipate what is coming from cues they get living in the home. My friend's cat sat by the door waiting for her owner to come home from work every day. Plus, dogs have excellent hearing. Your neighbor's dog may have been able to hear the car before it came around the corner.