“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

[peacegirl]

Light as a cosmic time machine.

Wherein the fact of delayed-time seeing is explained, yet again.

Yep, that's the theory.

 

[peacegirl]

Space Technology 5

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I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

No, peacegirl, you don’t understand. Admittedly that is poorly written, but the writers are taking for granted that people understand light-time delay. What the article is saying that energetic particles from a flare arrive AFTER the flare itself it seen — sometimes in as little as 8 minutes, but often days later. “see a flare when it occurs” is just shorthand for seeing the flare before the arrival of the energetic particles. The flare light still took some 8.5 minutes to reach the earth to be seen by the telescope. If you don’t believe me, email the writer.

I'm not going to email the writer. Of course he would say he didn't mean it the way it sounded. He made a distinction between the particles that take 81/2 minutes to get here and the actual flare which could be seen as it's happening in real time.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

 

[DBT]

Eyes have evolved from light sensitive cells to detect light. When there is no light to detect, it is dark....being in a dark room, lights off, etc.

 

[DBT]

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

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I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

 

[peacegirl]

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

 

[pood]

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat.

No, they are not, peacegirl. I explained to you what is going on. Want me to email the author? It was badly worded, but this is to be expected from New Scientist, a popular science rag that is not a good source of knowledge.

 

[DBT]

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

 

[peacegirl]

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat.

No, they are not, peacegirl. I explained to you what is going on. Want me to email the author? It was badly worded, but this is to be expected from New Scientist, a popular science rag that is not a good source of knowledge.

Maybe the newness of this science mag is just what we need. Even if you email him, he isn’t going to say we see in real time. Are you kidding me? Let the evidence speak for itself.

 

[peacegirl]

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

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I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

I don't think so. They said that it's hard to know when a flare will be triggered, which is what they are trying to figure out because of the danger of particles. This is what the author said:

Predicting solar flares is difficult, because we don’t know exactly how they are triggered. While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

 

[steve_bank]

So OK, let’s discuss this book, in which the author talks about the “new world” that will emerge when everyone accepts his argument, a world that he says may have to be enforced at military gunpoint for those laggards and slugabeds who don’t accept his claims.

I read similar in TTrotsky's History Of The Russian Revolution.

 

[DBT]

Light as a cosmic time machine.

Wherein the fact of delayed-time seeing is explained, yet again.

Yep, that's the theory.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

I don't think so. They said that it's hard to know when a flare will be triggered, which is what they are trying to figure out because of the danger of particles. This is what the author said:

Predicting solar flares is difficult, because we don’t know exactly how they are triggered. While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

''When it occurs'' just means when it is observed to occur by us, which is 8.5 minutes after it happened on the sun. Where the solar wind, which varies from about 200 kilometers per second to 900 kilometers per second takes far longer to arrive than light.

 

[peacegirl]

So OK, let’s discuss this book, in which the author talks about the “new world” that will emerge when everyone accepts his argument, a world that he says may have to be enforced at military gunpoint for those laggards and slugabeds who don’t accept his claims.

I read similar in TTrotsky's History Of The Russian Revolution.

Did you read the book? If you didn’t, you can’t say that military enforcement is mentioned. It’s your imagination that has taken over all objectivity.

 

[peacegirl]

Light as a cosmic time machine.

Wherein the fact of delayed-time seeing is explained, yet again.

Yep, that's the theory.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

I don't think so. They said that it's hard to know when a flare will be triggered, which is what they are trying to figure out because of the danger of particles. This is what the author said:

Predicting solar flares is difficult, because we don’t know exactly how they are triggered. While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

''When it occurs'' just means when it is observed to occur by us, which is 8.5 minutes after it happened on the sun. Where the solar wind, which varies from about 200 kilometers per second to 900 kilometers per second takes far longer to arrive than light.

That doesn’t add up from the previous example. In fact, there was a clear distinction between particles arriving 81/2 minutes later and seeing the flare when it was happening which were not the same time as particles arriving. Anyway, there will continue to be dissension on this topic and nothing will be resolved. It will just be more of the same banter back and forth which will get us nowhere. So, for now, I’m not going to discuss this topic anymore. Obviously the present thinking will win out especially when no one cares to read the author’s demonstration as to why he believed the eyes are not a sense organ. It doesn’t pay until it is picked up by scientists who can test this and confirm one way or another which position is correct.

 

[pood]

Light as a cosmic time machine.

Wherein the fact of delayed-time seeing is explained, yet again.

Yep, that's the theory.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

I don't think so. They said that it's hard to know when a flare will be triggered, which is what they are trying to figure out because of the danger of particles. This is what the author said:

Predicting solar flares is difficult, because we don’t know exactly how they are triggered. While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

''When it occurs'' just means when it is observed to occur by us, which is 8.5 minutes after it happened on the sun. Where the solar wind, which varies from about 200 kilometers per second to 900 kilometers per second takes far longer to arrive than light.

That doesn’t add up from the previous example. In fact, there was a clear distinction between particles arriving 81/2 minutes later and seeing the flare when it was happening which were not the same time as particles arriving.

Once again, you willfully misunderstood what the author was saying.

 

[peacegirl]

Light as a cosmic time machine.

Wherein the fact of delayed-time seeing is explained, yet again.

Yep, that's the theory.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

Space Technology 5

Official home page for NASA's Space Technology 5 (ST5) mission. The project will validate methods of operating several satellites as a single system and test multiple technologies in the harsh space environment of Earth's magnetosphere.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

I’m trying to understand the proof of radio waves and delayed vision coinciding with no interruption that could mess things up.

Was there some point to you posting that?

x-rays and gamma rays and radio are light. We already explained the electromagnetic spectrum to you. Like all light, it takes 8.5 minutes for x-rays and gamma and radio waves to arrive at the earth from the sun. That includes light in the visible spectrum, the only part of spectrum we can see in. Therefore we are always seeing the sun as it was some 8.5 minutes ago.

While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

We can now predict dangerous solar flares a day before they happen

Large solar flares can put astronauts’ health at risk and damage satellites, but we haven’t had an early warning system for them – until now

www.newscientist.com

To predict when a flare is likely to happen, they are looking for magnetic field pre-flare conditions that cause flares.

That is true, but they are seeing the flare as it is happening, not 81/2 minutes later when the dangerous particles arrive and become a threat. There is a difference. Why? Because I believe the telescope, which functions like the eye, sees the flare happening as it is taking place. This is not such a far out idea as people are making it out to be. They are just incredulous that science could have been that wrong since so much is based on their belief that we see the past from millions or billions of years ago.

It reminds me when my aunt told her son around 6 or 7 years old that Santa did not exist. He got so upset he told her she’s a liar. He would not accept that he wasn’t real. Moral of the story: It’s hard to let go of a belief that is close to one’s heart and consequently may get in the way of the search for truth.

They are seeing conditions within the magnetic field that lead to a solar flare. The magnetic field conditions are seen 8.5 minutes after they happen on the sun. Then the predicted flare happens and it takes 8.5 minutes for that light/information to reach us.

I don't think so. They said that it's hard to know when a flare will be triggered, which is what they are trying to figure out because of the danger of particles. This is what the author said:

Predicting solar flares is difficult, because we don’t know exactly how they are triggered. While telescopes can see a flare when it occurs, providing some warning, energetic particles can arrive at Earth in as little as 8 minutes – potentially putting astronauts’ health at risk and damaging satellites before we have time to react.

''When it occurs'' just means when it is observed to occur by us, which is 8.5 minutes after it happened on the sun. Where the solar wind, which varies from about 200 kilometers per second to 900 kilometers per second takes far longer to arrive than light.

That doesn’t add up from the previous example. In fact, there was a clear distinction between particles arriving 81/2 minutes later and seeing the flare when it was happening which were not the same time as particles arriving.

Once again, you willfully misunderstood what the author was saying.

I did not willfully misunderstand anything. It is you, not me, who willfully refuses to read and understand why Lessans claimed the eyes are not a sense organ. You don’t have a clue. Trying to defend your position, you couldn’t even admit that dogs cannot recognize the human partners from a damn picture. Show me where you see a dog responding with some form of recognition. This is very much related so don’t accuse this of being a non-sequitur.

 

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Dogs recognize a person by sight, sound and smell. Photos of people are a different matter. But there are experiments where a dog recognizes pictures of objects. The dog is shown a picture, then collect the pictured object (a toy) from a selection of different toys scattered on the floor in another room.

 

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The thing is reality works regardless of what we call it.

There is always a finite delay between cause and effect. It is measurable. Electical, chemical, or mechanical.

Hit one end of a metal rod and it takes time for the effect to proopaate to the other end. The speed of light is an upper bound on the sped of a computer.

The scientific model of visual perception involves the theories of electrmagnetics and quantum mkechanics.

The portion of the electromagjnetic spectruwe can detect is caled the visible spectrum. There are species that can detect EM radiation outside our visual range.

Light in common usage refers to the entire EM spectrum. Lightis modeled as a wavepropagating in space. When ieracting with matter it is mnodeled as a partcle, quntum mechamics. Photons.

Photons are absorbed by phottors in the eye resuling in the creation of electrons.

When the energy of the photon in electron volts matches the bandgap enegy of the photoreseptor atoms aborption occurs.

I worked in optics.

Perception and sensory are loaded contextual words. Different areas and fields can have difernt maening. Affer all there are only 26 letters ad a limited prononcable number of combinations.