“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

[DBT]

It was a fair question. A question that has not yet been explained.

I did not paint myself into a corner because there is no conflict between light traveling and seeing in real time. Brain function, as he described it, does not take time for light to reach the eye when we are focused, not on the light, but on the object. The light interacts with the rods and cones necessarily or the object would not be in view.

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There is more than just a conflict. There is a complete contradiction between light travel time and "real time vision/light at the eye.' Where if one is true, the other must be false.....and we already know which one is true.

They are not contradictions.

So you sidestepped the question.

I did not sidestep. Light travels but light does not reflect images that would land on the retina over long distances where the object would be long gone. The object absorbs and reveals itself as we look at it. This does not cancel out the speed of light that is always traveling at C.

Let's pretend that's true.....how then is the image of an object acquired by the eyes without the information that light provides?

 

[peacegirl]

It was a fair question. A question that has not yet been explained.

I did not paint myself into a corner because there is no conflict between light traveling and seeing in real time. Brain function, as he described it, does not take time for light to reach the eye when we are focused, not on the light, but on the object. The light interacts with the rods and cones necessarily or the object would not be in view.

[/PRE[/

There is more than just a conflict. There is a complete contradiction between light travel time and "real time vision/light at the eye.' Where if one is true, the other must be false.....and we already know which one is true.

They are not contradictions.

So you sidestepped the question.

I did not sidestep. Light travels but light does not reflect images that would land on the retina over long distances where the object would be long gone. The object absorbs and reveals itself as we look at it. This does not cancel out the speed of light that is always traveling at C.

Let's pretend that's true.....how then is the image of an object acquired by the eyes without the information that light provides?

The object is seen by the eyes because the light emanating from the object is AT THE RETINA. The light is necessary because it allows us to see and integrate the information (e.g., that which is within our field of view) in the same way we would integrate that same information if it were interpreted as a virtual image within the brain.

 

[pood]

The object is seen by the eyes because the light emanating from the object is AT THE RETINA.

How is it at the retina instantly when you also say it takes time to get there?

 

[DBT]

It was a fair question. A question that has not yet been explained.

I did not paint myself into a corner because there is no conflict between light traveling and seeing in real time. Brain function, as he described it, does not take time for light to reach the eye when we are focused, not on the light, but on the object. The light interacts with the rods and cones necessarily or the object would not be in view.

[/PRE[/

There is more than just a conflict. There is a complete contradiction between light travel time and "real time vision/light at the eye.' Where if one is true, the other must be false.....and we already know which one is true.

They are not contradictions.

So you sidestepped the question.

I did not sidestep. Light travels but light does not reflect images that would land on the retina over long distances where the object would be long gone. The object absorbs and reveals itself as we look at it. This does not cancel out the speed of light that is always traveling at C.

Let's pretend that's true.....how then is the image of an object acquired by the eyes without the information that light provides?

The object is seen by the eyes because the light emanating from the object is AT THE RETINA. The light is necessary because it allows us to see and integrate the information (e.g., that which is within our field of view) in the same way we would integrate that same information if it were interpreted as a virtual image within the brain.

But you have acknowledged that light has travel time. So without light providing information, instant seeing, where does the information come from?

 

[peacegirl]

The object is seen by the eyes because the light emanating from the object is AT THE RETINA.

How is it at the retina instantly when you also say it takes time to get there?

Ohhhh my goddddddd!! I need a break!

 

[peacegirl]

It was a fair question. A question that has not yet been explained.

I did not paint myself into a corner because there is no conflict between light traveling and seeing in real time. Brain function, as he described it, does not take time for light to reach the eye when we are focused, not on the light, but on the object. The light interacts with the rods and cones necessarily or the object would not be in view.

[/PRE[/

There is more than just a conflict. There is a complete contradiction between light travel time and "real time vision/light at the eye.' Where if one is true, the other must be false.....and we already know which one is true.

They are not contradictions.

So you sidestepped the question.

I did not sidestep. Light travels but light does not reflect images that would land on the retina over long distances where the object would be long gone. The object absorbs and reveals itself as we look at it. This does not cancel out the speed of light that is always traveling at C.

Let's pretend that's true.....how then is the image of an object acquired by the eyes without the information that light provides?

The object is seen by the eyes because the light emanating from the object is AT THE RETINA. The light is necessary because it allows us to see and integrate the information (e.g., that which is within our field of view) in the same way we would integrate that same information if it were interpreted as a virtual image within the brain.

But you have acknowledged that light has travel time. So without light providing information, instant seeing, where does the information come from?

Between you and Pood, I need an aspirin. Just remember light is not sending us an image. We are seeing the object due to light's presence.

 

[steve_bank]

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Between you and Pood, I need an aspirin. Just remember light is not sending us an image. We are seeing the object due to light's presence.

Humm .. if light doe mot bring the image how do eyeglasses improve vision?

Actually that the image is formed by light interacting with an object is observable. Theory describes a causal chain from light source to object to eye to brain.

What were the details of Lessans' observations? Can I repeat them?

I van physically measure the time form a light being switched on and arriving at the eye. JHv ae somebody 'focus' and the object and repeat the exertion and the arrival delay time will not change.

I worked on RADAR systems. Not visible light, 'light' in the L band 1-2 gigahertz.

I don't know what the test equipment costs today, but the experiment would be pretty simple.

 

[DBT]

It was a fair question. A question that has not yet been explained.

I did not paint myself into a corner because there is no conflict between light traveling and seeing in real time. Brain function, as he described it, does not take time for light to reach the eye when we are focused, not on the light, but on the object. The light interacts with the rods and cones necessarily or the object would not be in view.

[/PRE[/

There is more than just a conflict. There is a complete contradiction between light travel time and "real time vision/light at the eye.' Where if one is true, the other must be false.....and we already know which one is true.

They are not contradictions.

So you sidestepped the question.

I did not sidestep. Light travels but light does not reflect images that would land on the retina over long distances where the object would be long gone. The object absorbs and reveals itself as we look at it. This does not cancel out the speed of light that is always traveling at C.

Let's pretend that's true.....how then is the image of an object acquired by the eyes without the information that light provides?

The object is seen by the eyes because the light emanating from the object is AT THE RETINA. The light is necessary because it allows us to see and integrate the information (e.g., that which is within our field of view) in the same way we would integrate that same information if it were interpreted as a virtual image within the brain.

But you have acknowledged that light has travel time. So without light providing information, instant seeing, where does the information come from?

Between you and Pood, I need an aspirin. Just remember light is not sending us an image. We are seeing the object due to light's presence.

I don't remember anything of the sort. Images are not sent, information is, patterns, wavelength, etc.. The brain uses that information to generate sight.

You acknowledge that we are seeing an object due to the presence of light, that light has a speed and time travel, then insist that the eyes somehow bypass the process and we see instantly.

How does that make sense?