Run Bernie, Run!

[AthenaAwakened]

And Truth Out is making up their own definitions:
Dictitonary.com

noun
free enterprise:
an economic and political doctrine holding that a capitalist economy can regulate itself in a freely competitive market through the relationship of supply and demand with a minimum of governmental intervention and regulation.

Again, anyone can be a capitalist by buying stock. Your beef is with the distribution of wealth.

So what does Athena's or your opinion on the definition of Capitalism have to do with Bernie's candidacy? I like Sanders. He is advocating a more democratic society. I like a society that cares about all of its members. Surely, you know there are a lot of rich bitches who have been buying politicians and taking our government away from the common man. The issue is one fairness and I don't think you think about that too much. Distribution of democratic power IS DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. That is what the supreme court has decided. If our government continues to shed its functions and unravel, we might as well move it to Wichita KS and locate its offices downstairs from the bosses upstairs...the Koch Bros.

Bernie at least deals with this insanity we are calling our government today in a rational manner. I will probably vote for Bernie. How about you?

Arguing over semantics is fun and quite profitable. Just look at commercial Television news. That would be the news that doesn't cover Bernie unless forced to.

Funny that?

 

[NobleSavage]

Not necessarily. Words, if they have been around for some time and have been used by more than one person, do tend to have more than one definititon.

Dictitonary.com

noun
free enterprise:
an economic and political doctrine holding that a capitalist economy can regulate itself in a freely competitive market through the relationship of supply and demand with a minimum of governmental intervention and regulation.

Again, anyone can be a capitalist by buying stock. Your beef is with the distribution of wealth.

You would do better reading what I actually post and not trying to read my mind.

I did read the article. They start off trying to play with definitions. That always irritates me. You are free to start or go work for a cooperative. It's not like they are illegal.

You are playing the definition game and still not directly addressing the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. Truth Out is a pretty good outfit but is not running for office.

Bernie Sanders will appear as that weird ass guy from Vermont and that will be the end of it.

 

[arkirk]

Not necessarily. Words, if they have been around for some time and have been used by more than one person, do tend to have more than one definititon.

Dictitonary.com

noun
free enterprise:
an economic and political doctrine holding that a capitalist economy can regulate itself in a freely competitive market through the relationship of supply and demand with a minimum of governmental intervention and regulation.

Again, anyone can be a capitalist by buying stock. Your beef is with the distribution of wealth.

You would do better reading what I actually post and not trying to read my mind.

I did read the article. They start off trying to play with definitions. That always irritates me. You are free to start or go work for a cooperative. It's not like they are illegal.

You are playing the definition game and still not directly addressing the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. Truth Out is a pretty good outfit but is not running for office.

Bernie Sanders will appear as that weird ass guy from Vermont and that will be the end of it.

Have you ever listened to Bernie? He clearly is not "wierd ass." I won't let you define Bernie like that. Do you think that Hillary is cool? Your kind of mis-distributed wealth? I agree that there will be a lot of corporate money against Bernie, but we have to learn how to listen to what these politicians are saying and the meaning of what they have been doing...selling the services of their offices to the worst of the Capitalists. If you think there is something wrong with distribution of wealth in this country, perhaps you ought to vote with somebody that agrees with you and sympathizes with you instead of a nail biting war hawk with her roots in Walmart.

 

[NobleSavage]

Not necessarily. Words, if they have been around for some time and have been used by more than one person, do tend to have more than one definititon.

Dictitonary.com

noun
free enterprise:
an economic and political doctrine holding that a capitalist economy can regulate itself in a freely competitive market through the relationship of supply and demand with a minimum of governmental intervention and regulation.

Again, anyone can be a capitalist by buying stock. Your beef is with the distribution of wealth.

You would do better reading what I actually post and not trying to read my mind.

I did read the article. They start off trying to play with definitions. That always irritates me. You are free to start or go work for a cooperative. It's not like they are illegal.

You are playing the definition game and still not directly addressing the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. Truth Out is a pretty good outfit but is not running for office.

Bernie Sanders will appear as that weird ass guy from Vermont and that will be the end of it.

Have you ever listened to Bernie? He clearly is not "wierd ass." I won't let you define Bernie like that. Do you think that Hillary is cool? Your kind of mis-distributed wealth? I agree that there will be a lot of corporate money against Bernie, but we have to learn how to listen to what these politicians are saying and the meaning of what they have been doing...selling the services of their offices to the worst of the Capitalists. If you think there is something wrong with distribution of wealth in this country, perhaps you ought to vote with somebody that agrees with you and sympathizes with you instead of a nail biting war hawk with her roots in Walmart.

Yeah, he makes some good points, but he will forever be that old Socialist from Vermont.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Not necessarily. Words, if they have been around for some time and have been used by more than one person, do tend to have more than one definititon.

Dictitonary.com

noun
free enterprise:
an economic and political doctrine holding that a capitalist economy can regulate itself in a freely competitive market through the relationship of supply and demand with a minimum of governmental intervention and regulation.

Again, anyone can be a capitalist by buying stock. Your beef is with the distribution of wealth.

You would do better reading what I actually post and not trying to read my mind.

I did read the article. They start off trying to play with definitions. That always irritates me. You are free to start or go work for a cooperative. It's not like they are illegal.

You are playing the definition game and still not directly addressing the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. Truth Out is a pretty good outfit but is not running for office.

Bernie Sanders will appear as that weird ass guy from Vermont and that will be the end of it.

Have you ever listened to Bernie? He clearly is not "wierd ass." I won't let you define Bernie like that. Do you think that Hillary is cool? Your kind of mis-distributed wealth? I agree that there will be a lot of corporate money against Bernie, but we have to learn how to listen to what these politicians are saying and the meaning of what they have been doing...selling the services of their offices to the worst of the Capitalists. If you think there is something wrong with distribution of wealth in this country, perhaps you ought to vote with somebody that agrees with you and sympathizes with you instead of a nail biting war hawk with her roots in Walmart.

Yeah, he makes some good points, but he will forever be that old Socialist from Vermont.

Ron Paul is a crank from Texas, but he has been a force in moving his party rightward.

 

[NobleSavage]

Not necessarily. Words, if they have been around for some time and have been used by more than one person, do tend to have more than one definititon.

Dictitonary.com

noun
free enterprise:
an economic and political doctrine holding that a capitalist economy can regulate itself in a freely competitive market through the relationship of supply and demand with a minimum of governmental intervention and regulation.

Again, anyone can be a capitalist by buying stock. Your beef is with the distribution of wealth.

You would do better reading what I actually post and not trying to read my mind.

I did read the article. They start off trying to play with definitions. That always irritates me. You are free to start or go work for a cooperative. It's not like they are illegal.

You are playing the definition game and still not directly addressing the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. Truth Out is a pretty good outfit but is not running for office.

Bernie Sanders will appear as that weird ass guy from Vermont and that will be the end of it.

Have you ever listened to Bernie? He clearly is not "wierd ass." I won't let you define Bernie like that. Do you think that Hillary is cool? Your kind of mis-distributed wealth? I agree that there will be a lot of corporate money against Bernie, but we have to learn how to listen to what these politicians are saying and the meaning of what they have been doing...selling the services of their offices to the worst of the Capitalists. If you think there is something wrong with distribution of wealth in this country, perhaps you ought to vote with somebody that agrees with you and sympathizes with you instead of a nail biting war hawk with her roots in Walmart.

Yeah, he makes some good points, but he will forever be that old Socialist from Vermont.

Ron Paul is a crank from Texas, but he has been a force in moving his party rightward.

Ron Paul moved the party to the right? He was mostly a gold bug that hated the Fed. He has the endorsement of the Log Cabin Republicans. He is against the drug war. He voted against the PATROIT act. With other stuff he is kinda all over the board. If anything moved the party to the right it was having a black man elected president.

 

[Ford]

Yeah, he makes some good points, but he will forever be that old Socialist from Vermont.

Ron Paul is a crank from Texas, but he has been a force in moving his party rightward.

That's like saying the guys in the band on the Titanic had a hand in steering the ship. Oh they provided entertainment, but the direction was already set.

As for Sanders' public image, for better or worse it is one largely of his own creation.

And I'm definitely seeing some parallels in the two candidacies. Ron Paul was - at least on paper - an unlikely choice for young voters, but his status as a cranky outsider struck a chord, and next thing you know his lack of standing in the first go-round for the GOP nomination was a sinister conspiracy to deny hipsters their chance to vote in the "Ron Paul Revolution."

If you spend a little time on Reddit's politics section - which has a pretty young, liberal demographic - you'd think Bernie had already won the nomination. It is all but a forgone conclusion that Senator Sanders is a serious challenger to Clinton, what with him being a one man political earthquake.


As for media coverage of Bernie, I think his relative absence in the news sort of puts the lie to the old notion that we've got a left-wing liberal media constantly bombarding us with socialism.

 

[angelo]

Using the wrong word there. Should read " Wasting other peoples money leads to bankruptcy. "

Do you think if you waste your own money, you won't go bankrupt?

Socialist politicians squirrel their ill gotten money into Swiss bank accounts, very rarely do they declare bankruptcy.

 

[KeepTalking]

Ron Paul is a crank from Texas, but he has been a force in moving his party rightward.

Ron Paul moved the party to the right? He was mostly a gold bug that hated the Fed. He has the endorsement of the Log Cabin Republicans. He is against the drug war. He voted against the PATROIT act. With other stuff he is kinda all over the board. If anything moved the party to the right it was having a black man elected president.

He did not do it single-handedly, no. Then again, that was not what Athena said.

Ron Paul was a major factor in the rise in popularity of Libertarian ideals, which in turn led to the rise of the Tea Party. It is the Tea Party that has pulled the Republican party to the right. Their continued popularity has no doubt been kept up by having black Marxist Kenyan Dictator running the country, and 9/11 helped as well, but Ron Paul certainly had some influence in the rightward shift of the GOP.

 

[SimpleDon]

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Ron Paul moved the party to the right? He was mostly a gold bug that hated the Fed. He has the endorsement of the Log Cabin Republicans. He is against the drug war. He voted against the PATROIT act. With other stuff he is kinda all over the board. If anything moved the party to the right it was having a black man elected president.

Ron Paul on his own didn't move the party to the right, but the libertarian ideas are part of the mostly bat sh*t crazy ideas that the Republicans use to justify increasing profits and the incomes and resulting wealth of the already wealthy at the costs of everyone else. Things like believing that the free market can regulate itself, which apparently you believe.

I don't need to redefine terms to show that this not true. Using your definition,

Dictitonary.com
noun
free enterprise:
an economic and political doctrine holding that a capitalist economy can regulate itself in a freely competitive market ...

We don't have a freely competitive market because the market has made a collective choice not to have a freely competitive market. The problem with a freely competitive market is that it has to be among products that are the same, like commodities. Consumers prefer innovative products, they don't want them to be the same.

And to have a freely competitive market the suppliers have to be so small that they can't have any influence over the price and the market isn't affected when they go in or they go out of business. This sacrifices what are known as economies of scale, the very best of the industrial revolution.

... through the relationship of supply and demand ...

Most prices in the economy, 80 to 85% of them, are what we call managed prices based on a markup over the average costs of production to provide a profit. The market has once again freely chosen this method of setting prices over supply and demand setting prices. Primarily because allowing supply and demand to set prices results in no profits in a modern industrial economy. Profits are important to provide the incentive to invest in productive businesses.

...with a minimum of governmental intervention and regulation.

Government intervenes and regulates the economy for the same reasons that it has to pass laws, have courts and build prisons to regulate society, to suppress and to punish bad behavior.

The very reasons that make capitalism the very best economic system that we have yet come up with, that it rewards effort, innovation and risk taking are the very reasons that we need government intervention and regulation in the economy, because capitalism rewards bad behavior and socially damaging effort, innovation and risk taking even more.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Ron Paul moved the party to the right? He was mostly a gold bug that hated the Fed. He has the endorsement of the Log Cabin Republicans. He is against the drug war. He voted against the PATROIT act. With other stuff he is kinda all over the board. If anything moved the party to the right it was having a black man elected president.

He did not do it single-handedly, no. Then again, that was not what Athena said.

Ron Paul was a major factor in the rise in popularity of Libertarian ideals, which in turn led to the rise of the Tea Party. It is the Tea Party that has pulled the Republican party to the right. Their continued popularity has no doubt been kept up by having black Marxist Kenyan Dictator running the country, and 9/11 helped as well, but Ron Paul certainly had some influence in the rightward shift of the GOP.

Thank you for actually reading what I typed.

 

[ZiprHead]

If anyone is interested, Bernie Sanders is speaking at the Sister Giant 2015 conference on Free Speech TV right now, just started at 8pm eastern.