Safety net work requirements in an era of no jobs

[ksen]

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy2017_budget_resolution.pdf

For Medicaid, this budget converts the Federal share of Medicaid spending into allotments that give States the flexibility to tailor their programs to meet their fiscal needs, as well as serve the worst off in society. State Flexibility Funds would end the misguided one-size-fits-all approach that ties the hands of State governments trying to make their Medicaid programs as effective as possible. In addition, the budget proposes to advance a work requirement for all able-bodied adults who are enrolled in Medicaid. Work not only provides a source of income and self-sufficiency, but also has been demonstrated as a valuable source of self-worth and dignity for individuals. Moreover, this budget repeals the Medicaid expansions in the President’s health care law.

So if you can't find a job during an era of no jobs you don't get healthcare.

I propose that if you have a work requirement there is a reciprocal requirement to provide a job if the job-seeker is unable to find one through no fault of his own.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy2017_budget_resolution.pdf

For Medicaid, this budget converts the Federal share of Medicaid spending into allotments that give States the flexibility to tailor their programs to meet their fiscal needs, as well as serve the worst off in society. State Flexibility Funds would end the misguided one-size-fits-all approach that ties the hands of State governments trying to make their Medicaid programs as effective as possible. In addition, the budget proposes to advance a work requirement for all able-bodied adults who are enrolled in Medicaid. Work not only provides a source of income and self-sufficiency, but also has been demonstrated as a valuable source of self-worth and dignity for individuals. Moreover, this budget repeals the Medicaid expansions in the President’s health care law.

So if you can't find a job during an era of no jobs you don't get healthcare.

I propose that if you have a work requirement there is a reciprocal requirement to provide a job if the job-seeker is unable to find one through no fault of his own.

It is always the job seekers fault in the eyes of the GOP.

 

[coloradoatheist]

The issue is that it's somewhere in the middle. I didn't read through all of it and I'm not sure it's up to each state to find the happy median.

 

[Trausti]

I propose that if you have a work requirement there is a reciprocal requirement to provide a job if the job-seeker is unable to find one through no fault of his own.

I'd second that. Work is very important, and providing benefits without a work requirement encourages dependency and results in fraying of skills and employment competence. Just recall how sharp you were returning to school after the long lazy summer. There should be a 20 hour a week work requirement. Leave the other 20 hours for the person to continue the job search. If necessary, the government should create jobs - whether cleaning the highway, filing papers, etc. - so that the person remains in the labor force.

Of course, we could aid this by limiting immigration of low-skilled workers. But I think immigrants are higher on the progressive stack than natives, so the natives just have to suck it.

 

[SimpleDon]

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy2017_budget_resolution.pdf

For Medicaid, this budget converts the Federal share of Medicaid spending into allotments that give States the flexibility to tailor their programs to meet their fiscal needs, as well as serve the worst off in society. State Flexibility Funds would end the misguided one-size-fits-all approach that ties the hands of State governments trying to make their Medicaid programs as effective as possible. In addition, the budget proposes to advance a work requirement for all able-bodied adults who are enrolled in Medicaid. Work not only provides a source of income and self-sufficiency, but also has been demonstrated as a valuable source of self-worth and dignity for individuals. Moreover, this budget repeals the Medicaid expansions in the President’s health care law.

So if you can't find a job during an era of no jobs you don't get healthcare.

I propose that if you have a work requirement there is a reciprocal requirement to provide a job if the job-seeker is unable to find one through no fault of his own.

There is a parallel happening this month where people who are not disabled and don't have any children are being taken off of the SNAP program, food stamps, if they aren't working, in about 20 states, including Georgia. This is the reinstatement of a provision in the 1996 Welfare reform act that had been suspended after the financial crisis.

This idea that the states can better handle these types of programs because they are better equipped to judge the needs of their own states has not, to my knowledge, ever been established as being valid. It seems that the differences in the programs run by the states have much more to do with the political ideology of the officeholders in the states than with any real differences between the states.

 

[SimpleDon]

I propose that if you have a work requirement there is a reciprocal requirement to provide a job if the job-seeker is unable to find one through no fault of his own.

I'd second that. Work is very important, and providing benefits without a work requirement encourages dependency and results in fraying of skills and employment competence. Just recall how sharp you were returning to school after the long lazy summer. There should be a 20 hour a week work requirement. Leave the other 20 hours for the person to continue the job search. If necessary, the government should create jobs - whether cleaning the highway, filing papers, etc. - so that the person remains in the labor force.

Of course, we could aid this by limiting immigration of low-skilled workers. But I think immigrants are higher on the progressive stack than natives, so the natives just have to suck it.

And in addition we need to raise the wages of the working poor so that there is not as much of a need for these types of government tax and spend, redistribution programs.

Why is this not obvious? (a question to the assembled masses, not to you Trausti)

 

[coloradoatheist]

I'd second that. Work is very important, and providing benefits without a work requirement encourages dependency and results in fraying of skills and employment competence. Just recall how sharp you were returning to school after the long lazy summer. There should be a 20 hour a week work requirement. Leave the other 20 hours for the person to continue the job search. If necessary, the government should create jobs - whether cleaning the highway, filing papers, etc. - so that the person remains in the labor force.

Of course, we could aid this by limiting immigration of low-skilled workers. But I think immigrants are higher on the progressive stack than natives, so the natives just have to suck it.

And in addition we need to raise the wages of the working poor so that there is not as much of a need for these types of government tax and spend, redistribution programs.

Why is this not obvious? (a question to the assembled masses, not to you Trausti)

Because you can't just will jobs to be productive. I can't say, hey if you hire a babysitter than you must provide a full years salary even if you hire them for 2 hours once during the year.

So what happens in society if someone can't hold a job?

 

[ksen]

So what happens in society if someone can't hold a job?

According this Republican budget blueprint they either die of: disease, starvation or exposure.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Law_Amendment_Act_1834

The Act was intended to curb the cost of poor relief, and address abuses of the old system, prevalent in southern agricultural counties, by enabling a new system to be brought in under which relief would only be given in workhouses, and conditions in workhouses would be such as to deter any but the truly destitute from applying for relief.

 

[TV and credit cards]

It was a memorable and proud moment in my life when I started earning my own money. Those first paychecks had so much more value in my mind than the allowance I had been getting. It did incentivize me to work. I could have laid up. Got a little gas money from dad from time to time but I preferred working for my own money. I'd like to think most people do.

If a person cannot hold down a job (I've know two), then barring any obvious physical ailment, there may be a mental health problem and government needs to deal with this. I know Social Security does to a point.

And of course every job should pay an hourly rate that leads to a living wage. How disheartening it must be to work your ass off day in and day out and still not make ends meet. Who wouldn't give up?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy2017_budget_resolution.pdf

For Medicaid, this budget converts the Federal share of Medicaid spending into allotments that give States the flexibility to tailor their programs to meet their fiscal needs, as well as serve the worst off in society. State Flexibility Funds would end the misguided one-size-fits-all approach that ties the hands of State governments trying to make their Medicaid programs as effective as possible. In addition, the budget proposes to advance a work requirement for all able-bodied adults who are enrolled in Medicaid. Work not only provides a source of income and self-sufficiency, but also has been demonstrated as a valuable source of self-worth and dignity for individuals. Moreover, this budget repeals the Medicaid expansions in the President’s health care law.

So if you can't find a job during an era of no jobs you don't get healthcare.

I propose that if you have a work requirement there is a reciprocal requirement to provide a job if the job-seeker is unable to find one through no fault of his own.

Another bill to show their faithful they're trying, not something that's going to become law.

Now, if you're going to mandate work without regard for the economy, how about also ensuring there's at least government work to meet that requirement.

 

[coloradoatheist]

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy2017_budget_resolution.pdf



So if you can't find a job during an era of no jobs you don't get healthcare.

I propose that if you have a work requirement there is a reciprocal requirement to provide a job if the job-seeker is unable to find one through no fault of his own.

Another bill to show their faithful they're trying, not something that's going to become law.

Now, if you're going to mandate work without regard for the economy, how about also ensuring there's at least government work to meet that requirement.

Dismal put forth the idea of summer camps for the people: food, board, and medical attention but would have to be put up in a government camp

 

[dismal]

Another bill to show their faithful they're trying, not something that's going to become law.

Now, if you're going to mandate work without regard for the economy, how about also ensuring there's at least government work to meet that requirement.

Dismal put forth the idea of summer camps for the people: food, board, and medical attention but would have to be put up in a government camp

I did? Maybe in one of those UBI threads. I may have been joking.

But anyway, the point would have been not so much about having camps but guaranteeing a very low minimum living standard.

 

[DBT]

There is something seriously wrong with the fundamental structure of our economy, how we do business. At some point there is going to have to be a major restructure.

 

[laughing dog]

Dismal put forth the idea of summer camps for the people: food, board, and medical attention but would have to be put up in a government camp

You mean poor houses?