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SC Justice Scalia Has Died

Oh please. Partisans are hypocrites. If the situation was reversed, with a Republican President, Democrat senate, and a dead Ginsburg, the folks here having a hissy fit would rally around Schumer to prevent her replacement before the election. As it is, the voters handed the Senate to the Republicans in 2014. The Senate is not constitutionally required to approve a nominee in any set time frame. Suck it.

Bullshit! The leaders of the GOP senate met before Obama was even seated to plan to block everything he did. This is just more of the same. No, the Democrats never resorted to this level of total obstructionism.

Mr. Peabody suggests Sherman use the Wayback Machine...Chuck Schumers efforts alone, include but not limited to:

Democratic Senate (2001): Democrats Set to Block Bush Initiatives http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/28/news/28iht-tube_ed3_.html

Chuck’s Game: Plans to Block Bush’s Judge (2003) http://observer.com/2003/01/chucks-game-plans-to-block-bushs-judge/

Or take a visit to Sen.�Charles Schumer's office, which issued a press release in 2004 that Senate Democrats plan "to hold (all) nominations until the White House commits to stop abusing the advise and consent process."

Exactly how does one "compute" this "level" of obstruction? The number of nominees refused consent? The length of time where the position is unfilled due to opposition? The amount of money spent, or efforts made, to destroy a President's nomination(s)? What self-serving partisan metric are you thinking of, if any?

What is it about Schumer's 2007 statement "we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court..." that eludes you?

This isn't really new for the GOP either.
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Scalia on science

The body of scientific evidence supporting creation science is as strong as that supporting evolution. In fact, it may be stronger…. The evidence for evolution is far less compelling than we have been led to believe. Evolution is not a scientific “fact,” since it cannot actually be observed in a laboratory. Rather, evolution is merely a scientific theory or “guess.”… It is a very bad guess at that. The scientific problems with evolution are so serious that it could accurately be termed a “myth.”

Shoud creationism/evolution be a touchstone for nominating SC justices?
 
Shoud creationism/evolution be a touchstone for nominating SC justices?
Maybe the touchstone should be 'if you have no fucking idea what you're talking about, sit down and shut up.'
 
Shoud creationism/evolution be a touchstone for nominating SC justices?
Maybe the touchstone should be 'if you have no fucking idea what you're talking about, sit down and shut up.'

Ya, if you're that bad at evaluating evidence, you really shouldn't be judging shit.
 
Scalia on science

The body of scientific evidence supporting creation science is as strong as that supporting evolution. In fact, it may be stronger…. The evidence for evolution is far less compelling than we have been led to believe. Evolution is not a scientific “fact,” since it cannot actually be observed in a laboratory. Rather, evolution is merely a scientific theory or “guess.”… It is a very bad guess at that. The scientific problems with evolution are so serious that it could accurately be termed a “myth.”

Shoud creationism/evolution be a touchstone for nominating SC justices?

Isn't it great, we've had a representative of the American Taliban deciding things on the Court all these years.
 
Bullshit! The leaders of the GOP senate met before Obama was even seated to plan to block everything he did. This is just more of the same. No, the Democrats never resorted to this level of total obstructionism.

Mr. Peabody suggests Sherman use the Wayback Machine...Chuck Schumers efforts alone, include but not limited to:

Democratic Senate (2001): Democrats Set to Block Bush Initiatives http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/28/news/28iht-tube_ed3_.html

Chuck’s Game: Plans to Block Bush’s Judge (2003) http://observer.com/2003/01/chucks-game-plans-to-block-bushs-judge/

Or take a visit to Sen.�Charles Schumer's office, which issued a press release in 2004 that Senate Democrats plan "to hold (all) nominations until the White House commits to stop abusing the advise and consent process."

Exactly how does one "compute" this "level" of obstruction? The number of nominees refused consent? The length of time where the position is unfilled due to opposition? The amount of money spent, or efforts made, to destroy a President's nomination(s)? What self-serving partisan metric are you thinking of, if any?

What is it about Schumer's 2007 statement "we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court..." that eludes you?

This isn't really new for the GOP either.
...smile...

Wait, you just linked an article where the Dem Senate said that two or three items specifically named were against the Dem principals so they wouldn't vote for them... and you call this equivalent to the claim the GOP would oppose EVERTHY OBAMA PUTS FORTH... you think these are equal? Really?
 
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-scotus-pick-the-constitution-pretty-clear said:
Many Republicans, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have said the next president should nominate Scalia’s successor, and some have vowed to block hearings for any Obama nominee.

But “the Constitution is pretty clear about what is supposed to happen now,” Obama said Tuesday after a speech at the U.S.-Association of Southeast Asian Nations summit at Rancho Mirage, California. “When there is a vacancy on the Supreme Court, the president of the United States is to nominate someone, the Senate is to consider that nominee, and either they disapprove of the nominee or that nominee is elevated to the Supreme Court.”

“Historically, this has not been viewed as a question,” Obama said.
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As a partisan liberal, I would not and have never complained that a Republican president should not nominate anyone in any circumstance or that any nomination should be rejected out of hand. It's a stupid stupid position. Vacancies during a term is just a matter of luck, especially when it's due to death. It's why I vote for Democrats always, precisely to fill any Supreme Court seats. The 2012 election already settled this. Republicans are such watbs. They lost, get over it for once.

Repub obstructionism should help Dems in next election.
 
Mr. Peabody suggests Sherman use the Wayback Machine...Chuck Schumers efforts alone, include but not limited to:

Democratic Senate (2001): Democrats Set to Block Bush Initiatives http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/28/news/28iht-tube_ed3_.html

Chuck’s Game: Plans to Block Bush’s Judge (2003) http://observer.com/2003/01/chucks-game-plans-to-block-bushs-judge/

Or take a visit to Sen.�Charles Schumer's office, which issued a press release in 2004 that Senate Democrats plan "to hold (all) nominations until the White House commits to stop abusing the advise and consent process."

Exactly how does one "compute" this "level" of obstruction? The number of nominees refused consent? The length of time where the position is unfilled due to opposition? The amount of money spent, or efforts made, to destroy a President's nomination(s)? What self-serving partisan metric are you thinking of, if any?

What is it about Schumer's 2007 statement "we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court..." that eludes you?

This isn't really new for the GOP either.
...smile...

Wait, you just linked an article where the Dem Senate said that two or three items specifically named were against the Dem principals so they wouldn't vote for them... and you call this equivalent to the claim the GOP would oppose EVERTHY OBAMA PUTS FORTH... you think these are equal? Really?

I just provided links to several articles exemplifying that "total obstruction" (Cheerful's nebulous characterization) is self-serving; providing just a portion of the history of widespread total Democratic obstructionism on a number of different issues (not just judicial appointments). As they were just a portion, I did not address equality.

What I did do is to suggest he tell me of what he speaks and his metrics for "total obstruction"; how does he measure ACTUAL obstruction and why does it matter. I have yet to see any proof that partys ever obstruct for no reason at all. Unless they are intimidated, they always fight against the entire agenda of the other party's President EXCEPT on the rare occasion they find common agreement.

Let's fire up the wayback machine again, more examples from 2004:

CNN.com - Bush vows to work with Democrats - Nov 5, 2004
www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/04/bush.agenda/

CNN Nov 5, 2004 - Bush vows to work with Democrats ... Bush said that agenda includes a plan to "defeat the terrorists," improve education, change medical .

Democratic Response to Bush's vow:

(CNSNews.com) - The Democratic Party vowed Thursday not to stop fighting President Bush "and his Republican cronies" as they try to advance their political agenda.

In an email to supporters the same day of Bush's second inauguration, DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe said, "Republicans are hoping that we'll just fade into the background" and "sit on the sidelines" for the next two years while the GOP tries to "ram their agenda through."

"But we Democrats will never step aside,..." said McAuliffe.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/democrats-vow-continue-fighting-republican-agenda

AND:

With President Bush planning high-profile initiatives in his second term like Social Security (search) reform, Democrat leaders are digging in, vowing to stop the Bush agenda dead in its tracks.

"We, as Democrats, have got to stand up and fight aggressively from day one," said outgoing national party chairman Terry McAuliffe, who has been asked by some Democratic lawmakers to retain his position as head of the Democratic National Committee (search).

Hoping to re-energize a party demoralized by Sen. John Kerry's defeat in the 2004 presidential election, Democrats plan confrontation, McAuliffe said....

Even the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (search), which prefers bipartisan results over gridlock, backs a stonewall strategy. Co-founder Will Marshall told FOX News that Democrats distrust the president and are unlikely to budge on major initiatives, particularly Social Security.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/01/12/dems-plan-to-obstruct-bush-agenda.html


So please...no more high horse nonsense...
 
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The 4-4 cuts both ways though.
 
It does, but in those two particular cases it'd cut in favor things conservatives hate: unions and voting rights.
 
Bullshit! The leaders of the GOP senate met before Obama was even seated to plan to block everything he did. This is just more of the same. No, the Democrats never resorted to this level of total obstructionism.

Mr. Peabody suggests Sherman use the Wayback Machine...Chuck Schumers efforts alone, include but not limited to:

Democratic Senate (2001): Democrats Set to Block Bush Initiatives http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/28/news/28iht-tube_ed3_.html

Chuck’s Game: Plans to Block Bush’s Judge (2003) http://observer.com/2003/01/chucks-game-plans-to-block-bushs-judge/

Or take a visit to Sen.�Charles Schumer's office, which issued a press release in 2004 that Senate Democrats plan "to hold (all) nominations until the White House commits to stop abusing the advise and consent process."

Exactly how does one "compute" this "level" of obstruction? The number of nominees refused consent? The length of time where the position is unfilled due to opposition? The amount of money spent, or efforts made, to destroy a President's nomination(s)? What self-serving partisan metric are you thinking of, if any?

What is it about Schumer's 2007 statement "we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court..." that eludes you?

This isn't really new for the GOP either.
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It is one thing to block BAD DESTRUCTIVE policies.

Another to block the normal functioning of the government.

And the Shumer quote is irrelevant to the merits of the argument. It is hand waving.
 
Mr. Peabody suggests Sherman use the Wayback Machine...Chuck Schumers efforts alone, include but not limited to:

Democratic Senate (2001): Democrats Set to Block Bush Initiatives http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/28/news/28iht-tube_ed3_.html

Chuck’s Game: Plans to Block Bush’s Judge (2003) http://observer.com/2003/01/chucks-game-plans-to-block-bushs-judge/

Or take a visit to Sen.�Charles Schumer's office, which issued a press release in 2004 that Senate Democrats plan "to hold (all) nominations until the White House commits to stop abusing the advise and consent process."

Exactly how does one "compute" this "level" of obstruction? The number of nominees refused consent? The length of time where the position is unfilled due to opposition? The amount of money spent, or efforts made, to destroy a President's nomination(s)? What self-serving partisan metric are you thinking of, if any?

What is it about Schumer's 2007 statement "we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court..." that eludes you?

This isn't really new for the GOP either.
...smile...

Wait, you just linked an article where the Dem Senate said that two or three items specifically named were against the Dem principals so they wouldn't vote for them... and you call this equivalent to the claim the GOP would oppose EVERTHY OBAMA PUTS FORTH... you think these are equal? Really?

I just provided links to several articles exemplifying that "total obstruction" (Cheerful's nebulous characterization) is self-serving; providing just a portion of the history of widespread total Democratic obstructionism on a number of different issues (not just judicial appointments). As they were just a portion, I did not address equality.

What I did do is to suggest he tell me of what he speaks and his metrics for "total obstruction"; how does he measure ACTUAL obstruction and why does it matter. I have yet to see any proof that partys ever obstruct for no reason at all. Unless they are intimidated, they always fight against the entire agenda of the other party's President EXCEPT on the rare occasion they find common agreement.

Let's fire up the wayback machine again, more examples from 2004:

CNN.com - Bush vows to work with Democrats - Nov 5, 2004
www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/04/bush.agenda/

CNN Nov 5, 2004 - Bush vows to work with Democrats ... Bush said that agenda includes a plan to "defeat the terrorists," improve education, change medical .

Democratic Response to Bush's vow:

(CNSNews.com) - The Democratic Party vowed Thursday not to stop fighting President Bush "and his Republican cronies" as they try to advance their political agenda.

In an email to supporters the same day of Bush's second inauguration, DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe said, "Republicans are hoping that we'll just fade into the background" and "sit on the sidelines" for the next two years while the GOP tries to "ram their agenda through."

"But we Democrats will never step aside,..." said McAuliffe.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/democrats-vow-continue-fighting-republican-agenda

AND:

With President Bush planning high-profile initiatives in his second term like Social Security (search) reform, Democrat leaders are digging in, vowing to stop the Bush agenda dead in its tracks.

"We, as Democrats, have got to stand up and fight aggressively from day one," said outgoing national party chairman Terry McAuliffe, who has been asked by some Democratic lawmakers to retain his position as head of the Democratic National Committee (search).

Hoping to re-energize a party demoralized by Sen. John Kerry's defeat in the 2004 presidential election, Democrats plan confrontation, McAuliffe said....

Even the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (search), which prefers bipartisan results over gridlock, backs a stonewall strategy. Co-founder Will Marshall told FOX News that Democrats distrust the president and are unlikely to budge on major initiatives, particularly Social Security.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/01/12/dems-plan-to-obstruct-bush-agenda.html


So please...no more high horse nonsense...

Really? CNS News and Fox?

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It doesn't matter.

These Republicans, without ideas, have been the most obstructionist bunch of ideologues in history. Their base is unraveling and the nation is tiring of their bigotry and violent tendencies. And they know it.

All they really have left are a few billionaires that support them, and their carefully crafted tactics of fear and bigotry. But the nation is tiring of their worthless act.

Delay you worthless scum without ideas.

Delay. It is ALL you have left.

You are soon to be swept under the rug of history.

So how soon until the Republican Party collapses? An actual opposition party would be a great thing to have.
 
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-scotus-pick-the-constitution-pretty-clear said:
Many Republicans, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have said the next president should nominate Scalia’s successor, and some have vowed to block hearings for any Obama nominee.

But “the Constitution is pretty clear about what is supposed to happen now,” Obama said Tuesday after a speech at the U.S.-Association of Southeast Asian Nations summit at Rancho Mirage, California. “When there is a vacancy on the Supreme Court, the president of the United States is to nominate someone, the Senate is to consider that nominee, and either they disapprove of the nominee or that nominee is elevated to the Supreme Court.”

“Historically, this has not been viewed as a question,” Obama said.

Hmmmm...is there any limit to some folks willing credulity, especially when Obama's busy mouthing more feather-weight talking points? You know, for a fellow who was allowed to teach constitutional law part-time, his constitutional ignorance and/or shameless prevarication is surprisingly as bad as that of Donald Trump.

The Constitution (Article II, Section 2) is very clear:

[The president] shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint … judges of the Supreme Court.

"The Barrack" can and shall nominate to the Supreme Court, including in his last year. But "the Barrack" can and shall only nominate, not necessarily appoint. The Constitution states that to “appoint” he has to have the actual consent of the Senate.

Nothing in the Constitution says the Senate must take an up or down vote, or consent; nor does it prohibit the with-holding of consent for partisan reasons. And Nothing says how the Senate may with-hold consent, or says that it must act at all.

There is nothing in legal history to suggest an obligation to act, nor that they must "disapprove of the nominee or (then) that nominee is elevated to the Supreme Court.”. Wrong. The Constitution REQUIRES an affirmative act of approval to appoint, that is the Senates consent - without it, the nomination is dead.

Adam White examined the debates over the framing and ratification of the Constitution and found “no indication of any expectation that the Senate would be required the vote on a President’s nominees.”

The Framers expressly based the Constitution’s “advice and consent” model on the approach used in Massachusetts, under the State’s Constitution of 1780. And, looking through years of archived nomination files, I found myriad examples of nominations made by the governor that received no up-or-down vote from the “Privy Council,” the body that provided constitutional advice and consent.

But the best evidence of the Senate’s power not to vote on nominations is found in the Framers’ rejection of an alternative approach to appointments. As an alternative to the “advice and consent” model, James Madison proposed a discretionary Senate veto. Under that plan, a president’s nominees would automatically be appointed unless the Senate mustered a majority vote against that nomination within a fixed number of days.

In short, Madison would have put the burden on the Senate, to affirmatively act to block a nomination. But the Framers rejected his proposal, and chose instead the “advice and consent” model, placing the burden on the president (and his supporters) to convince the Senate to confirm his nominee.

What about Senate practice when it comes to dealing with Supreme Court nominees?

Presidents have made 160 nominations for the Supreme Court. The Senate confirmed only 124 of them. And of the 36 failed nominations, the vast majority of them (25) received no up-or-down vote.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-c...enate-to-vote-on-a-nomination/article/2001087
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol29_No1_White.pdf

Can Obama show us the clause that says the Senate must vote on, let alone confirm, a President's nominee? Can you?

Of course not.

Finally, Obama's comments are rather brazenly hypocritical. In 2006 he joined a filibuster of 24 to obstruct a Senate vote on Alito's approval or disapproval - to block a vote on consent:

Obama told reporters he would “be supporting the filibuster because I think Judge Alito, in fact, is somebody who is contrary to core American values, not just liberal values, you know.".

Pot...meet kettle.
 

Hmmmm...is there any limit to some folks willing credulity, especially when Obama's busy mouthing more feather-weight talking points? You know, for a fellow who was allowed to teach constitutional law part-time, his constitutional ignorance and/or shameless prevarication is surprisingly as bad as that of Donald Trump.

And Obama is wrong that the President can nominate Supreme Court Justices? He must be so evil that his words you quoted above are actually wrong though they read correct.

The Constitution (Article II, Section 2) is very clear:

[The president] shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint … judges of the Supreme Court.
"The Barrack" can and shall nominate to the Supreme Court, including in his last year. But "the Barrack" can and shall only nominate, not necessarily appoint. The Constitution states that to “appoint” he has to have the actual consent of the Senate.
Which nobody but you is arguing.
Nothing in the Constitution says the Senate must take an up or down vote, or consent; nor does it prohibit the with-holding of consent for partisan reasons. And Nothing says how the Senate may with-hold consent, or says that it must act at all.
Which nobody is arguing.

Can Obama show us the clause that says the Senate must vote on, let alone confirm, a President's nominee? Can you?

Of course not.
You are pretty butthurt over this small point. Has the Senate ever taken no action on an nominee?
Finally, Obama's comments are rather brazenly hypocritical. In 2006 he joined a filibuster of 24 to obstruct a Senate vote on Alito's approval or disapproval - to block a vote on consent:

Obama told reporters he would “be supporting the filibuster because I think Judge Alito, in fact, is somebody who is contrary to core American values, not just liberal values, you know.".

Pot...meet kettle.

Yes, because filibustering is the same thing. IMPEACH!!!!
 
It doesn't matter.

These Republicans, without ideas, have been the most obstructionist bunch of ideologues in history. Their base is unraveling and the nation is tiring of their bigotry and violent tendencies. And they know it.

All they really have left are a few billionaires that support them, and their carefully crafted tactics of fear and bigotry. But the nation is tiring of their worthless act.

Delay you worthless scum without ideas.

Delay. It is ALL you have left.

You are soon to be swept under the rug of history.

So how soon until the Republican Party collapses? An actual opposition party would be a great thing to have.

If gerrymandering were outlawed and money removed from elections they would last a few years.

As long as billionaires control the game?

They will last as long as they service their masters properly.
 
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Pot...meet kettle.
None of your spin and finger-pointing is really relevant to the issue that is simply wrong to refuse a vote on the confirmation. It was wrong when the Democrats did it. It will be wrong if the Republicans do it.
 
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