Scott Walker says denying poor people health care coverage helps them "truly live the America dream"

[ksen]

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/17/sco...nded_medicaid_because_its_not_truly_american/

In 2012, when the Supreme Court decided that the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion should be optional, it gave the nation’s poor a great gift. It renewed the possibility for poor people to avoid the trap of government-provided health coverage and truly live the American dream, but only if they were the lucky duckies who lived in states controlled by Republican opponents of Obamacare.

That was the vision laid out by Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker on “Morning Joe” this past Friday. Walker, who refused to accept federal funds to cover new Medicaid enrollees in his own state, said that the better way for states to expand health coverage was to get people “into the workforce,” that way they can feel like true Americans and pay for their own insurance.

More like "truly live the American nightmare."

So in Walker's world forcing people into the workforce under threat of death is good policy.

In Conservative dogma the poor need to be motivated by all stick and the wealthy need to be motivated by all carrot.

Makes sense.

 

[KeepTalking]

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/17/sco...nded_medicaid_because_its_not_truly_american/

In 2012, when the Supreme Court decided that the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion should be optional, it gave the nation’s poor a great gift. It renewed the possibility for poor people to avoid the trap of government-provided health coverage and truly live the American dream, but only if they were the lucky duckies who lived in states controlled by Republican opponents of Obamacare.

That was the vision laid out by Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker on “Morning Joe” this past Friday. Walker, who refused to accept federal funds to cover new Medicaid enrollees in his own state, said that the better way for states to expand health coverage was to get people “into the workforce,” that way they can feel like true Americans and pay for their own insurance.

More like "truly live the American nightmare."

So in Walker's world forcing people into the workforce under threat of death is good policy.

In Conservative dogma the poor need to be motivated by all stick and the wealthy need to be motivated by all carrot.

Makes sense.

To be fair, I am pretty sure that is Scott Walker's American dream (or dream for America).

 

[RavenSky]

every politician who blocks single payer universal health care for citizens should lose their government paid health care coverage immediately. If Scott fucknut Walker thinks not having health care offered through one's employer is so great, we can certainly help him feel ever so much more American by cancelling his.

 

[Unbeatable]

So in Walker's world forcing people into the workforce under threat of death is good policy.

In everyone's world, forcing people to do things under threat of death is good policy. The only difference from one person to the next is how direct they want the threat of death to be, which people they want to threaten, and which things they want to force those people to do.

In Conservative dogma the poor need to be motivated by all stick and the wealthy need to be motivated by all carrot.

Dogma is usually something believed on an explicit level. I believe what you're referring to is more of an unconscious belief.

 

[Medicine Man]

Scott Walker says denying poor people health care coverage helps them "truly live the America dream"

...And, if that doesn't kill 'em....

....He's Got Other Uses, For Them!!
February 1, 2015

"Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a potential 2016 Republican presidential candidate, said Sunday he is open to sending U.S. troops to the Middle East to defeat Islamic State fighters -- a bold foreign policy statement in contrast with the Obama administration’s position.

Walker told ABC’s “This Week” that he wouldn’t rule out sending troops, as Islamic State appears to grow and strengthen despite U.S.-led efforts to destroy the radical Islamic group.

“I wouldn't rule out anything,” Walker said. “When you have the lives of Americans at stake ... we have to be prepared to do things that don't allow those measures, those attacks, those abuses to come to our shores."

In a wide-ranging interview in which Walker also made a case for a potential 2016 run, he suggested an Islamic State attack on U.S. soil is "a matter of when .. not if."

And he suggested that the administration, which has U.S. troops helping to train government-backed forces in Iraq, is not doing enough."

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

every politician who blocks single payer universal health care for citizens should lose their government paid health care coverage immediately. If Scott fucknut Walker thinks not having health care offered through one's employer is so great, we can certainly help him feel ever so much more American by cancelling his.

Exactly. Someone - some reporter - should call him on it. Typical hypocrite douchebag.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Does he address the working poor or does he not consider them part of the workforce? Perhaps there's an hours-per-week qualification in Scott Walker World that defines workforce. You'd think the working poor would at least get the Multi-Crappy Job Waiver to qualify for Scott Walker defined workforce. Maybe the working poor doesn't get sick in Scott Walker World. If they do, he can have them fined and removed.

 

[fast]

Something doesn't add up here.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Ahh yes Mr Walker must want to force all employers to offer health insurance. Or is the idea that not all employers do a novel one for him?

 

[laughing dog]

My guess is that Mr. Walker thinks most of the working poor live in Milwaukee which tends to vote Democrat.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/17/sco...nded_medicaid_because_its_not_truly_american/

In 2012, when the Supreme Court decided that the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion should be optional, it gave the nation’s poor a great gift. It renewed the possibility for poor people to avoid the trap of government-provided health coverage and truly live the American dream, but only if they were the lucky duckies who lived in states controlled by Republican opponents of Obamacare.

That was the vision laid out by Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker on “Morning Joe” this past Friday. Walker, who refused to accept federal funds to cover new Medicaid enrollees in his own state, said that the better way for states to expand health coverage was to get people “into the workforce,” that way they can feel like true Americans and pay for their own insurance.

More like "truly live the American nightmare."

So in Walker's world forcing people into the workforce under threat of death is good policy.

In Conservative dogma the poor need to be motivated by all stick and the wealthy need to be motivated by all carrot.

Makes sense.

So having a job paying $30k a year for a family of three... but not offering health insurance which would likely cost around $800 a month...

Goodness these Republicans are absolutely clueless!

 

[fast]

Here’s the relevant portion of Walker’s remarks:

WALKER: Why is more people on Medicaid a good thing? I’d rather find a way – particularly for able-bodied adults without children – I’d like to find a way to get them into the workforce, to transition them from government dependence to true independence. I think, ideologically, that’s a much better approach, not just as a conservative, but as an American. You have more people live the American dream if they’re not dependent on the government.

It’s pretty remarkable that an elected governor and potential Republican candidate for the presidency can get away with saying stuff like this. States that rejected the Medicaid expansion created what’s come to be known as the coverage gap. It affects people whose incomes were too low to be eligible for subsidies to purchase insurance through the federal exchanges, but too high to be eligible for traditional Medicaid. Across all the states that rejected expanded Medicaid there are almost 4 million people who fall into the coverage gap.

What in particular does the author of this article find remarkable? What is he getting away with saying that is remarkable?

 

[arkirk]

Here’s the relevant portion of Walker’s remarks:

WALKER: Why is more people on Medicaid a good thing? I’d rather find a way – particularly for able-bodied adults without children – I’d like to find a way to get them into the workforce, to transition them from government dependence to true independence. I think, ideologically, that’s a much better approach, not just as a conservative, but as an American. You have more people live the American dream if they’re not dependent on the government.

It’s pretty remarkable that an elected governor and potential Republican candidate for the presidency can get away with saying stuff like this. States that rejected the Medicaid expansion created what’s come to be known as the coverage gap. It affects people whose incomes were too low to be eligible for subsidies to purchase insurance through the federal exchanges, but too high to be eligible for traditional Medicaid. Across all the states that rejected expanded Medicaid there are almost 4 million people who fall into the coverage gap.

What in particular does the author of this article find remarkable? What is he getting away with saying that is remarkable?

Scott Walker...get them into the workforce on minimum wage and when they get sick, they get the American dream treatment of a few aspirin and if that is not enough, they they can take a really long sleep...albeit a dreamless one. Walker's contempt for people in general is total. There was nothing remarkable about hearing him be himself.

 

[TV and credit cards]

So having a job paying $30k a year for a family of three... but not offering health insurance which would likely cost around $800 a month...

Goodness these Republicans are absolutely clueless!

Republican Think:
They're just gonna have to give up the second home.

 

[HelixSpiral]

But they have refrigerators! They're obviously not that poor!

 

[fast]

What in particular does the author of this article find remarkable? What is he getting away with saying that is remarkable?

Scott Walker...get them into the workforce on minimum wage and when they get sick, they get the American dream treatment of a few aspirin and if that is not enough, they they can take a really long sleep...albeit a dreamless one. Walker's contempt for people in general is total. There was nothing remarkable about hearing him be himself.

Wow, that's awful.

 

[untermensche]

Walker is full of it.

This is how he allegedly is putting Americans back to work.

The fact is that over Walker’s full term in office, which began Jan. 3, 2011, the state’s job gains have been well below the national average, and rank (in percentage terms) only ninth among all 12 Midwestern states.

http://www.factcheck.org/2014/10/still-spinning-wisconsin-voters/

 

[Medicine Man]

Something doesn't add up here.​

Almost like Deja Vu, huh?​

"Sarah Palin"; 2016?
February 2, 2015

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"Take the fight to ISIS! Be aggressive! Boots on the ground! But not if you ask me what that means! And Scott Walker can see Minnesota from his house!!!"​

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I never really understood why mainline Republicans take the stance that they do. They are usually pro-employer, but on this issue, they seem to want to force employers to pay for something that they really have no responsibility for.

I can see employers being responsible if the job itself causes physical harm to an employee, but for general health, why should this be the employer's responsibility? It should either fall to the employee themself, or to society as a whole, if we decide (and we should) that the health of the populace is something we should all care about. It is unfair to shoulder this on those who hire others to work for them, while other companies and individuals don't pay their share.

Single payer universal health care is the only sensible solution. It also removes for-profit insurance companies from the mix, making preventative care viable, and cutting out a profit drive to deny people the care that they need.

 

[SimpleDon]

Once again, I must restate the obvious.

The problem is that workers at the lower end don't earn enough money in wages to provide for the necessities of life, especially health care.

The solution is to raise wages.

If we want to turn health care into a for profit business from a largely not for profit enterprise we will have to raise wages even higher because profits add to the cost of health care.*

We must give up what is apparently an overwhelming national obsession to continually increase the incomes of the already wealthy.*

* I don't agree with the last two but I seem to be in the minority. I have repeatedly asked for those who believe that health care should be a for profit business and that it should be a matter of national policy to increase the incomes of the already wealthy to explain why. So far no one has obliged me.