So Joan Jett into Rock Hall... not 6 time platinum band Yes or 5 time Moody Blues

[KeepTalking]

I agree that Alan Parsons, and especially King Crimson should be in the Rock Hall by now, so should ELP and a host of other prog rockers, it's a shame that they are not.

Firstly, I think The Alan Parsons Project deserves the rock hall. I don't know about Alan Parsons. He has only had a few albums, most of which were good, but absolutely nothing that had even the slightest radio play. And I don't think they have been inducting Engineers into the Rock Hall, at least not yet. I think he is absolutely great, have every album, but don't think his solo career post Project is notable enough to get him in alone. Certainly nothing like Ringo Starr. *wink*

Heh, yeah, I tend to use Alan Parsons and The Alan Parson's Project interchangeably to refer to The Alan Parsons Project, I'm not familiar at all with his solo work. In true prog rock form, they charted more albums than singles, and did not get much radio play nationwide. I am fortunate to live in St. Louis, and we have the best (and first) FM rock station in the world, KSHE 95, and you can still catch an Alan Parsons Project song every now and again on that station, and sometimes even an entire album on Sunday nights.

I am a fan of all forms of rock (okay, soft rock is not really my bag), there are a ton of artists that should be in the Hall that are not there yet, but when you only induct 6 or 7 artists a year, and half of those are not even rock artists, some people are going to have to wait longer than others.

Simply put, Yes are the kings of Prog Rock. While everyone gives props to Velvet Underground and Pink Floyd, Yes was more likely the bigger influence on pompous self-indulgent progressive music. Close to the Edge is one of the best compositions of all time, period. They were successful, sold lots of albums. Sure, inducting them (along with King Crimson) would require adding a wing to the Rock Hall due to the ever changing lineup, but I'm at a loss as to what is required to be inducted. Putting Joan Jett in breaks any mold that could have allegedly been used for induction requirements.

Yes should have been inducted long ago, no doubt about it. The only requirement I am aware of for being nominated to the Rock Hall is that the artists have released a record at least 20 years in the past. I know previously inducted artists get to make nominations, so this might feed into the cycle of acts that are nominated, as they would tend to nominate artists they see as influences on their own work, or artists producing similar music to their own. For the last few years, though, fans have had a say in nominating artists as well, and I think Rush and Kiss made it into the Rock Hall as a result of fan nominations. I'm not sure exactly how that process works, either, though.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Firstly, I think The Alan Parsons Project deserves the rock hall. I don't know about Alan Parsons. He has only had a few albums, most of which were good, but absolutely nothing that had even the slightest radio play. And I don't think they have been inducting Engineers into the Rock Hall, at least not yet. I think he is absolutely great, have every album, but don't think his solo career post Project is notable enough to get him in alone. Certainly nothing like Ringo Starr. *wink*

Heh, yeah, I tend to use Alan Parsons and The Alan Parson's Project interchangeably to refer to The Alan Parsons Project, I'm not familiar at all with his solo work. In true prog rock form, they charted more albums than singles, and did not get much radio play nationwide. I am fortunate to live in St. Louis, and we have the best (and first) FM rock station in the world, KSHE 95, and you can still catch an Alan Parsons Project song every now and again on that station, and sometimes even an entire album on Sunday nights.

*sigh*

I'm stuck with Van Halen being every third song on the stations out here.

I am a fan of all forms of rock (okay, soft rock is not really my bag), there are a ton of artists that should be in the Hall that are not there yet, but when you only induct 6 or 7 artists a year, and half of those are not even rock artists, some people are going to have to wait longer than others.

Simply put, Yes are the kings of Prog Rock. While everyone gives props to Velvet Underground and Pink Floyd, Yes was more likely the bigger influence on pompous self-indulgent progressive music. Close to the Edge is one of the best compositions of all time, period. They were successful, sold lots of albums. Sure, inducting them (along with King Crimson) would require adding a wing to the Rock Hall due to the ever changing lineup, but I'm at a loss as to what is required to be inducted. Putting Joan Jett in breaks any mold that could have allegedly been used for induction requirements.

Yes should have been inducted long ago, no doubt about it. The only requirement I am aware of for being nominated to the Rock Hall is that the artists have released a record at least 20 years in the past. I know previously inducted artists get to make nominations, so this might feed into the cycle of acts that are nominated, as they would tend to nominate artists they see as influences on their own work, or artists producing similar music to their own. For the last few years, though, fans have had a say in nominating artists as well, and I think Rush and Kiss made it into the Rock Hall as a result of fan nominations. I'm not sure exactly how that process works, either, though.

So that explains Rush getting in. Pretty much the best band not in the Rock Hall, until they finally got in. Unlike Yes, Rush have repeatedly released great albums since 1990.

 

[KeepTalking]

Heh, yeah, I tend to use Alan Parsons and The Alan Parson's Project interchangeably to refer to The Alan Parsons Project, I'm not familiar at all with his solo work. In true prog rock form, they charted more albums than singles, and did not get much radio play nationwide. I am fortunate to live in St. Louis, and we have the best (and first) FM rock station in the world, KSHE 95, and you can still catch an Alan Parsons Project song every now and again on that station, and sometimes even an entire album on Sunday nights.

*sigh*

I'm stuck with Van Halen being every third song on the stations out here.

Check out the iheartradio smart phone app, KSHE is on there, as well as on at least one other radio app that I don't recall the name of right now. Sunday is the best day for my listening, you get the KSHE Classics show in the morning, and The Seventh Day, where they play about a half dozen full albums, at night.

Yes should have been inducted long ago, no doubt about it. The only requirement I am aware of for being nominated to the Rock Hall is that the artists have released a record at least 20 years in the past. I know previously inducted artists get to make nominations, so this might feed into the cycle of acts that are nominated, as they would tend to nominate artists they see as influences on their own work, or artists producing similar music to their own. For the last few years, though, fans have had a say in nominating artists as well, and I think Rush and Kiss made it into the Rock Hall as a result of fan nominations. I'm not sure exactly how that process works, either, though.

So that explains Rush getting in. Pretty much the best band not in the Rock Hall, until they finally got in. Unlike Yes, Rush have repeatedly released great albums since 1990.

Since 1990? I would say since forever. Hold Your Fire was the only album I did not really like when it first came out, but I have gained something of an appreciation for it in recent years.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*sigh*

I'm stuck with Van Halen being every third song on the stations out here.

Check out the iheartradio smart phone app, KSHE is on there, as well as on at least one other radio app that I don't recall the name of right now. Sunday is the best day for my listening, you get the KSHE Classics show in the morning, and The Seventh Day, where they play about a half dozen full albums, at night.

Yes should have been inducted long ago, no doubt about it. The only requirement I am aware of for being nominated to the Rock Hall is that the artists have released a record at least 20 years in the past. I know previously inducted artists get to make nominations, so this might feed into the cycle of acts that are nominated, as they would tend to nominate artists they see as influences on their own work, or artists producing similar music to their own. For the last few years, though, fans have had a say in nominating artists as well, and I think Rush and Kiss made it into the Rock Hall as a result of fan nominations. I'm not sure exactly how that process works, either, though.

So that explains Rush getting in. Pretty much the best band not in the Rock Hall, until they finally got in. Unlike Yes, Rush have repeatedly released great albums since 1990.

Since 1990? I would say since forever.

I was comparing them to Yes. Rush has continued to put out great albums. Yes had 90125, then ABWH, The Ladder had a few good tracks, Magnification was decent, but Rush have popped out great material over that same period.

 

[ZiprHead]

Didn't she get in more for her influence on the role of women in the rock and roll music industry rather than simply because of her music in and of itself?

It was actually Joan Jett & The Blackhearts that were inducted, so I don't think it was her personal influence that got the band inducted, though she is often cited as an influence for female and male rock artists. Patti Smith is also frequently listed as an influential female rock artists, and she was inducted in the Hall in 2010, despite never having a top 10 single. Joan Jett & The Blackheats actually have two other top 10 singles, in addition to their #1 single, so I'm not sure why there is a beef with them being inducted. As I mentioned previously, I think the larger issue is with all of these decidedly not rock and roll artists and bands getting inducted year after year.

Don't forget her stint in the ground-breaking The Runaways. The first all-female hard rock, punk band.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It was actually Joan Jett & The Blackhearts that were inducted, so I don't think it was her personal influence that got the band inducted, though she is often cited as an influence for female and male rock artists. Patti Smith is also frequently listed as an influential female rock artists, and she was inducted in the Hall in 2010, despite never having a top 10 single. Joan Jett & The Blackheats actually have two other top 10 singles, in addition to their #1 single, so I'm not sure why there is a beef with them being inducted. As I mentioned previously, I think the larger issue is with all of these decidedly not rock and roll artists and bands getting inducted year after year.

Don't forget her stint in the ground-breaking The Runaways. The first all-female hard rock, punk band.

The Rock Hall seems to think every entity is its own thing. So Eric Clapton is in the Rock Hall in roughly 20 different bands. So I don't know if her experience in The Runaways counts towards her own induction. Hence the question, WTF is with the standards for inducting an act?

 

[ZiprHead]

What in the heck has Ringo done outside of The Beatles?

I watched a Ringo Starr concert on either Palladia or the AXS channel a couple months ago. I thought it was surprisingly good.

 

[ZiprHead]

Don't forget her stint in the ground-breaking The Runaways. The first all-female hard rock, punk band.

The Rock Hall seems to think every entity is its own thing. So Eric Clapton is in the Rock Hall in roughly 20 different bands. So I don't know if her experience in The Runaways counts towards her own induction. Hence the question, WTF is with the standards for inducting an act?

How about influence and respect? Number of hits should only be part of the criteria for induction. Admit it, there are a lot of crappy band with lots of hits.

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Induction_Criteria.php

 

[ZiprHead]

As far as progressive rock goes, I always preferred EL&P. I very much like Rick Wakeman's Journey to the Center of the Earth though.

Progressive rock is to me kind of an anachronism. Almost not rock, more like hard core electric classical.

Rock to me should be kids in a garage with grit and determination and, if enough talent, making it big without compromising with studio tricks and sappy love songs. I'm thinking of Styx after Dennis DeYoung took over. Luckily the rest of the band couldn't stand his crappy songs and finally kicked him out.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Bands influences wax and wane with age. Yes was very influential in it's time, but that influence hasn't lasted. Among audiences, anyway. Most musicians respect Yes.

Some things I loved in the old times sound very dated to me know. Jethro Tull, for example. Hendrix still sounds fresh. And so on. The Yes album and Fragile(the band tracks) sound great to me, but Close to the Edge sounds overblown and fatuous. But when it came out, I thought it was brilliant.

Why this is I have no idea. My point is that something similar seems to happen on a larger, societal scale, and bands who once were major are now minor and it's not just sales. I talked to a dealer/collecter once and he said that whenever a rock star dies, they wonder is it going to be a Randy California(zero interest) or a Cobain(ka-ching!). Something similar happens with the music.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I can appreciate that. However, that doesn't explain Jett in and Moody Blues/Yes not in.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I can appreciate that. However, that doesn't explain Jett in and Moody Blues/Yes not in.

Not to you. Others may feel that JJ is more "authentic" r&r(party hearty rock and roll never let it leave your soul).

And don't forget the possible influence of marketing. Maybe some DVDs or collections or something is coming out and someone with weight is making a push.

 

[KeepTalking]

Check out the iheartradio smart phone app, KSHE is on there, as well as on at least one other radio app that I don't recall the name of right now. Sunday is the best day for my listening, you get the KSHE Classics show in the morning, and The Seventh Day, where they play about a half dozen full albums, at night.

Yes should have been inducted long ago, no doubt about it. The only requirement I am aware of for being nominated to the Rock Hall is that the artists have released a record at least 20 years in the past. I know previously inducted artists get to make nominations, so this might feed into the cycle of acts that are nominated, as they would tend to nominate artists they see as influences on their own work, or artists producing similar music to their own. For the last few years, though, fans have had a say in nominating artists as well, and I think Rush and Kiss made it into the Rock Hall as a result of fan nominations. I'm not sure exactly how that process works, either, though.

So that explains Rush getting in. Pretty much the best band not in the Rock Hall, until they finally got in. Unlike Yes, Rush have repeatedly released great albums since 1990.

Since 1990? I would say since forever.

I was comparing them to Yes. Rush has continued to put out great albums. Yes had 90125, then ABWH, The Ladder had a few good tracks, Magnification was decent, but Rush have popped out great material over that same period.

Fair enough. Have you heard Heaven & Earth, which came out last year? It has some great moments, but doesn't quite hit the mark. There are a few songs where I felt like it was just a tweak or two away from being a classic Yes song, and only a couple of songs that I did not really care for. It is, however, their first album with Jon Davison singing lead, and he is a dead ringer for Jon Anderson's voice. I am excited to see them when they come to town this August, mainly because of the addition of Davison to the lineup.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Check out the iheartradio smart phone app, KSHE is on there, as well as on at least one other radio app that I don't recall the name of right now. Sunday is the best day for my listening, you get the KSHE Classics show in the morning, and The Seventh Day, where they play about a half dozen full albums, at night.

Yes should have been inducted long ago, no doubt about it. The only requirement I am aware of for being nominated to the Rock Hall is that the artists have released a record at least 20 years in the past. I know previously inducted artists get to make nominations, so this might feed into the cycle of acts that are nominated, as they would tend to nominate artists they see as influences on their own work, or artists producing similar music to their own. For the last few years, though, fans have had a say in nominating artists as well, and I think Rush and Kiss made it into the Rock Hall as a result of fan nominations. I'm not sure exactly how that process works, either, though.

So that explains Rush getting in. Pretty much the best band not in the Rock Hall, until they finally got in. Unlike Yes, Rush have repeatedly released great albums since 1990.

Since 1990? I would say since forever.

I was comparing them to Yes. Rush has continued to put out great albums. Yes had 90125, then ABWH, The Ladder had a few good tracks, Magnification was decent, but Rush have popped out great material over that same period.

Fair enough. Have you heard Heaven & Earth, which came out last year? It has some great moments, but doesn't quite hit the mark. There are a few songs where I felt like it was just a tweak or two away from being a classic Yes song, and only a couple of songs that I did not really care for. It is, however, their first album with Jon Davison singing lead, and he is a dead ringer for Jon Anderson's voice. I am excited to see them when they come to town this August, mainly because of the addition of Davison to the lineup.

I listened to a little of H&E, but not much. I really haven't given it a chance. Little upset with their Fly From Here album still. Also, really got into God is an Astronaut and Steven Wilson's latest album, so that has been my main concentration.

Like Jon Davison as the lead singer. Did fine at the show I went to when they did CTTE, GFTE, and TYA. The only problem with Yes, and I've noticed this over the years in concerts, the keyboards are always low in the background when a new Keyboardist comes into play. That was the case the last show I went to as well, with Downes.

 

[KeepTalking]

As far as progressive rock goes, I always preferred EL&P. I very much like Rick Wakeman's Journey to the Center of the Earth though.

Journey to the Center of the Earth may very well be the first prog album I ever heard, and man did I ever love that album. I think I may have worn out my sister's copy of it. Rick Wakeman has a few other good albums as well, I was also quite fond of The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table.

Progressive rock is to me kind of an anachronism. Almost not rock, more like hard core electric classical.

It is definitely more cerebral, and more technical.

Rock to me should be kids in a garage with grit and determination and, if enough talent, making it big without compromising with studio tricks and sappy love songs. I'm thinking of Styx after Dennis DeYoung took over. Luckily the rest of the band couldn't stand his crappy songs and finally kicked him out.

If you want to drop acid and listen to something mind expanding, prog rock is more likely to do it for you. If, on the other hand, you want to get drunk and just party down, some gritty garage rock or punk rock is the thing. It's the intellectual vs. the soul, and that is why I think prog rock gets the shaft in the Rock Hall. Those making the nominations have traditionally been more of the gritty, soulful variety of rock aficionados. I have an appreciation for both sides, and a lot of stuff in between, so I don't have a problem with acts like Joan Jett and the Blackhearts making their way into the hall, but can certainly see how others feel left out by not having their preferred variety of rock music represented to any reasonable degree.

 

[KeepTalking]

Check out the iheartradio smart phone app, KSHE is on there, as well as on at least one other radio app that I don't recall the name of right now. Sunday is the best day for my listening, you get the KSHE Classics show in the morning, and The Seventh Day, where they play about a half dozen full albums, at night.

Yes should have been inducted long ago, no doubt about it. The only requirement I am aware of for being nominated to the Rock Hall is that the artists have released a record at least 20 years in the past. I know previously inducted artists get to make nominations, so this might feed into the cycle of acts that are nominated, as they would tend to nominate artists they see as influences on their own work, or artists producing similar music to their own. For the last few years, though, fans have had a say in nominating artists as well, and I think Rush and Kiss made it into the Rock Hall as a result of fan nominations. I'm not sure exactly how that process works, either, though.

So that explains Rush getting in. Pretty much the best band not in the Rock Hall, until they finally got in. Unlike Yes, Rush have repeatedly released great albums since 1990.

Since 1990? I would say since forever.

I was comparing them to Yes. Rush has continued to put out great albums. Yes had 90125, then ABWH, The Ladder had a few good tracks, Magnification was decent, but Rush have popped out great material over that same period.

Fair enough. Have you heard Heaven & Earth, which came out last year? It has some great moments, but doesn't quite hit the mark. There are a few songs where I felt like it was just a tweak or two away from being a classic Yes song, and only a couple of songs that I did not really care for. It is, however, their first album with Jon Davison singing lead, and he is a dead ringer for Jon Anderson's voice. I am excited to see them when they come to town this August, mainly because of the addition of Davison to the lineup.

I listened to a little of H&E, but not much. I really haven't given it a chance. Little upset with their Fly From Here album still. Also, really got into God is an Astronaut and Steven Wilson's latest album, so that has been my main concentration.

Like Jon Davison as the lead singer. Did fine at the show I went to when they did CTTE, GFTE, and TYA. The only problem with Yes, and I've noticed this over the years in concerts, the keyboards are always low in the background when a new Keyboardist comes into play. That was the case the last show I went to as well, with Downes.

This will actually be the first time seeing Yes in concert for me. I don't get why they would turn down Downes, it's not his first stint with Yes, he did one album with them after Wakeman left the first time (or was it the second time?), and has had a good career with Asia. He is a great keyboardist, and I hope he features prominently in the show this summer.

 

[Horatio Parker]

WFUV, Fordham Univ, here in NY, is a good rock station. Public radio and available online.

 

[ZiprHead]

Journey to the Center of the Earth may very well be the first prog album I ever heard, and man did I ever love that album. I think I may have worn out my sister's copy of it. Rick Wakeman has a few other good albums as well, I was also quite fond of The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table.

Progressive rock is to me kind of an anachronism. Almost not rock, more like hard core electric classical.

It is definitely more cerebral, and more technical.

Rock to me should be kids in a garage with grit and determination and, if enough talent, making it big without compromising with studio tricks and sappy love songs. I'm thinking of Styx after Dennis DeYoung took over. Luckily the rest of the band couldn't stand his crappy songs and finally kicked him out.

If you want to drop acid and listen to something mind expanding, prog rock is more likely to do it for you. If, on the other hand, you want to get drunk and just party down, some gritty garage rock or punk rock is the thing. It's the intellectual vs. the soul, and that is why I think prog rock gets the shaft in the Rock Hall. Those making the nominations have traditionally been more of the gritty, soulful variety of rock aficionados. I have an appreciation for both sides, and a lot of stuff in between, so I don't have a problem with acts like Joan Jett and the Blackhearts making their way into the hall, but can certainly see how others feel left out by not having their preferred variety of rock music represented to any reasonable degree.

I used to love firing up a doob and putting on headphones and listening to Moody Blues, ELP, Yes, and other progressive rock albums. Because I loved it doesn't mean a lot of it still wasn't overwrought, over-produced, self-indulgent dreck. Which brings to mind Dream Theater.

I've in the last couple years have gotten into Tool. Most of the time I've listened to them prior was in the car on broadcast radio so couldn't understand the lyrics too well from the background noise. Listened to some at home with headphones and found many of their lyrics were quite good and intellectually stimulating so I'm a little behind the times with them.

The whole album rock era is done. In the age of buying individual songs I don't think it will ever return. Long Live Album Rock!

 

[ZiprHead]

Journey to the Center of the Earth may very well be the first prog album I ever heard, and man did I ever love that album. I think I may have worn out my sister's copy of it. Rick Wakeman has a few other good albums as well, I was also quite fond of The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table.

Interesting wiki on that album. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_Centre_of_the_Earth_(album)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This will actually be the first time seeing Yes in concert for me. I don't get why they would turn down Downes, it's not his first stint with Yes, he did one album with them after Wakeman left the first time (or was it the second time?), and has had a good career with Asia. He is a great keyboardist, and I hope he features prominently in the show this summer.

Everyone, even Wakeman. I think I only heard the keyboards up once during the Masterworks tour, Khoreshev's second stint at the keyboards. That was the greatest concert experience I think I'll ever have. And yes, Downes knows the material, just like Wakeman, but it seems the boards are always low the first tour around.