So Marilyn Mosby will railroad six innocent police officers but will not retry the case of a Pakistani who strangled a teenage girl to death

[Derec]

Prosecutors drop charges against Adnan Syed in ‘Serial’ case

I have read a lot about this case, and there is no way Adnan Syed did not do it, no matter what corrupt Marylin Mosby says now.

 

[zorq]

I don't actually know much about this case beyond the article you posted but, have you considered that ...

... It isn't really about what a state's attorney says, it's about what the EVIDENCE says.

And it sounds like some DNA evidence points away from this Adnan Syed person. I'm reading between the lines here, because the article isn't clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if the DNA evidence that points away from Syed actually matches one (or maybe both) of the two other suspects the article mentions.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Prosecutors drop charges against Adnan Syed in ‘Serial’ case

I have read a lot about this case, and there is no way Adnan Syed did not do it, no matter what corrupt Marylin Mosby says now.

I'm one of the weird people in the country who hasn't paid attention to this case! You know far more than I. But please educate me: it's my understanding that there is no eye witness testimony. And that the case was entirely dependent on physical evidence (mostly DNA). And today, if DNA was incorrect, what can the prosecution hang its case on? What evidence is there?

 

[Gospel]

Prosecutors drop charges against Adnan Syed in ‘Serial’ case

I have read a lot about this case, and there is no way Adnan Syed did not do it, no matter what corrupt Marylin Mosby says now.

I'm one of the weird people in the country who hasn't paid attention to this case! You know far more than I. But please educate me: it's my understanding that there is no eye witness testimony. And that the case was entirely dependent on physical evidence (mostly DNA). And today, if DNA was incorrect, what can the prosecution hang its case on? What evidence is there?

It's not about the evidence in the case it's about Marylin Mosby.

 

[Jarhyn]

Prosecutors drop charges against Adnan Syed in ‘Serial’ case

I have read a lot about this case, and there is no way Adnan Syed did not do it, no matter what corrupt Marylin Mosby says now.

I'm one of the weird people in the country who hasn't paid attention to this case! You know far more than I. But please educate me: it's my understanding that there is no eye witness testimony. And that the case was entirely dependent on physical evidence (mostly DNA). And today, if DNA was incorrect, what can the prosecution hang its case on? What evidence is there?

It's not about the evidence in the case it's about Marylin Mosby.

Yeah, it's red meat: a dem-leaning DA who is both challenging police authority and letting MuSLiMs not be punished for crimes... better spin it as hard as possible to see if her head will twist right off.

 

[laughing dog]

Prosecutors drop charges against Adnan Syed in ‘Serial’ case

I have read a lot about this case, and there is no way Adnan Syed did not do it, no matter what corrupt Marylin Mosby says now.

On what basis do you dispute the " additional DNA testing excluded Syed as a suspect in the strangulation of Lee," (from your story) and that "unreliable cellphone data had been used to convict Syed. "?

 

[Elixir]

Prosecutors drop charges against Adnan Syed in ‘Serial’ case

I have read a lot about this case, and there is no way Adnan Syed did not do it, no matter what corrupt Marylin Mosby says now.

I'm one of the weird people in the country who hasn't paid attention to this case! You know far more than I. But please educate me: it's my understanding that there is no eye witness testimony. And that the case was entirely dependent on physical evidence (mostly DNA). And today, if DNA was incorrect, what can the prosecution hang its case on? What evidence is there?

It's not about the evidence in the case it's about Marylin Mosby.

No, it’s about corrupt Marlyn Moseby.
Derec hath rendered judgment.

 

[Jarhyn]

Prosecutors drop charges against Adnan Syed in ‘Serial’ case

I have read a lot about this case, and there is no way Adnan Syed did not do it, no matter what corrupt Marylin Mosby says now.

I'm one of the weird people in the country who hasn't paid attention to this case! You know far more than I. But please educate me: it's my understanding that there is no eye witness testimony. And that the case was entirely dependent on physical evidence (mostly DNA). And today, if DNA was incorrect, what can the prosecution hang its case on? What evidence is there?

It's not about the evidence in the case it's about Marylin Mosby.

No, it’s about corrupt Marlyn Moseby.
Derec hath rendered judgment.

Don't forget, Republicans and white rapists aren't rapists until they have made it through 4 layers of appeals, but MuSLiMs are rapists even when they are acquitted.

 

[Gospel]

Well to be fair, the saying is innocent until proven guilty, not innocent until a conviction is overturned.

‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

A Baltimore judge has ordered the release of Adnan Syed after overturning Syed’s conviction for a 1999 murder that was chronicled in the hit podcast “Serial.”

apnews.com

The investigation “revealed undisclosed and newly-developed information regarding two alternative suspects, as well as unreliable cell phone tower data,” Mosby’s office said in a news release last week. The other suspects were known persons at the time of the original investigation, but weren’t properly ruled out nor disclosed to the defense, said prosecutors, who declined to release information about the suspects, due to the ongoing investigation.

Sounds to me like Mosby shouldn't be the target of outrage here, but rather the prosecutors? I wonder why blame Mosby?

 

[Jarhyn]

Definitely innocent after a conviction is overturned on the preponderance of evidence ruling them out as a suspect at all.

So, more red meat, on account of it being the prosecutor not going with the minority suspect in retrial.

 

[Gospel]

I have read a lot about this case

Sure you did.

 

[TomC]

I have read a lot about this case, and there is no way Adnan Syed did not do it, no matter what corrupt Marylin Mosby says now.

You have much more Faith in the media than I have.

I'm not even sure what you mean when you say "I've read a lot about this case..."

Here in the USA we have a judicial system heavily weighted against guilty verdicts. Lots of perps get away with crimes so that innocent people don't get railroaded into punishment. Call it "the cost of Freedom", or whatever. You and I are at more risk of becoming the victim of a crime because we are at less risk of being punished for one we are innocent of perpetrating.

I prefer being safer from the government and less safe from criminals. That's just me. Plenty of countries in the world are safer because the government doesn't have to bother with our high standards for conviction.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

You and I are at more risk of becoming the victim of a crime because we are at less risk of being punished for one we are innocent of perpetrating.

Please tell me you meant "We are all at more risk". I won't even bring up that brown people have a higher probability of being a victim of a crime (yes those pesky statistics are on my side) because that doesn't matter. It would still make your statement correct if you meant what I hope you meant.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am open-minded that he could be guilty of some kind of involvement, but it seems the judge and prosecution did what they ought to right now.

There was some circumstantial evidence of his involvement such as one of his friends claimed he helped him to bury the body. And I think there is another claim that he had threatened the life of the victim at some point according to either texts or a witness. The other circumstances surrounding the death were that he had broken up with the victim recently and some kind of motive of anger/revenge. Cell phone data had also placed him around the scene. Those bits were enough for probable cause in the original investigation.

Contradicting that data, (1) he has an alibi witness who had said she saw him in a library at the time the killing was alleged to have occurred. (2) the expert on the cell phone tower location stuff has since recanted and apologized which is a big deal. (3) DNA was apparently not able to be obtained from some of the items but the shoes had some DNA. The DNA did not belong to Syed but two other people. What does this mean exactly? How closely associated are these two other people to Syed? Could it be compatible with an hypothesis that he orchestrated the crime or are these two guys independent of him completely? This is merely touch dna. Could one person merely be like the victim's brother or someone else who lived in her house coincidentally matching and the other be the witness (Jay Wilds) who claimed he helped bury the body? He claimed he didn't touch the body, just dug the hole. So how could that be??? OR could the two people be some unknown 3rd person and Jay Wilds who Wilds has been covering for all along? Without knowing the identity of these two people it is difficult to say. One article also says that this information that the DNA matched to these two other people was supposed to be given to the defense but wasn't by the prosecution. And that adds a legal twist of misconduct and is a significant factor leading to a conclusion of lack of a fair trial.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Definitely innocent after a conviction is overturned on the preponderance of evidence ruling them out as a suspect at all.

So, more red meat, on account of it being the prosecutor not going with the minority suspect in retrial.

The DNA doesn't rule him out because it's possible for DNA from the perpetrator not to be found. However, it sounds like the prosecution now has zero evidence and likely the original case was a rush to judgment.

 

[Oleg]

The guy may be as gulity as OJ, but DNA from an unidentified possible prep makes conviction "beyond a reasonable doubt" kind of hard.

 

[Jarhyn]

There is always the possibility that the guy killed the girl.

It's a pointless waste of money though to retry with no new evidence and only the evidence that managed to get the case thrown out.

 

[ZiprHead]

Who are these six unnamed police officers?

 

[Derec]

I don't actually know much about this case beyond the article you posted but, have you considered that ...

Maybe you should inform yourself, but, to answer your question, yes, yes I have.

... It isn't really about what a state's attorney says, it's about what the EVIDENCE says.

The state attorney makes the decision whether or not to retry. Thus to some extent it is what the state attorney says.
Of course, EVIDENCE should matter. But statements about evidence can be misleading.

And it sounds like some DNA evidence points away from this Adnan Syed person.

I do not think so. I think Mosby either does not understand how DNA works, or she has been very misleading when she said DNA excludes Syed. It may exclude him from being the contributor to the DNA found on Hae's shoes, but that does not mean Syed can be excluded from having strangled her. He could have strangled her AND Hae could have gotten somebody else's DNA on her shoes at some point.

I'm reading between the lines here, because the article isn't clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if the DNA evidence that points away from Syed actually matches one (or maybe both) of the two other suspects the article mentions.

Ah yes, the mystery suspects that Mosby is very cagy on. I doubt she will charge any of these mystery suspects. I even doubt she will disclose their identities or any details of this supposed evidence. That is because I think Syed is guilty, and furthermore I think Mosby thins so as well.

 

[Derec]

I'm one of the weird people in the country who hasn't paid attention to this case! You know far more than I. But please educate me: it's my understanding that there is no eye witness testimony.

How unaccommodating of Syed (or somebody else in the unlikely case he didn't do it) to not strangle Hae in full view of third parties!
No, there is no eyeball witness testimony to the murder itself. However, most of the prosecution case was made by the testimony of Jay, who testified that Adnan came to him after the murder and that Jay helped him dispose of the body. He provided a very detailed account of their movements on that day. In contrast, Adnan Syed claimed he had no recollection of what he did that day, and thus could offer no rebuttal to the account Jay made.

And that the case was entirely dependent on physical evidence (mostly DNA).

No. DNA played no role in the case. It was mostly dependent on Jay's testimony.

And today, if DNA was incorrect, what can the prosecution hang its case on? What evidence is there?

There is still Jay. Sure, it is possible Jay is the murderer, and that he was framing Adnan.
But, Jay barely knew Hae and there was no apparent motive. And there is this sticky issue of Adnan's convenient 24 hour amnesia.

In fact, given his testimony, Jay would be the only viable suspect other than Adnan. Either Adnan did it and got Jay to help him (highly likely), or Jay did it (very unlikely, but not impossible). I see no third option.