So what went wrong in post-colonial Africa?

[untermensche]

Capitalism IS exploitation. You can't remove it.

You can't pretend that American society is not being propped up by cheap products and food that exist because of exploitation.

And total freedom is possible but it is extremely difficult. It is not something people really want. They want the benefits of society.

Some want the benefits but do not want to pay for them.

The fear of being driven into poverty only exists within a society that sees poverty as some kind of crime and sees social services as extravagances.

If you are not doing so already, you should be writing books on this subject as you can simplify complex views. Capitalism is exploitation when it's purest form and difficult to regulate to benefit the individual. There is frequency some form of corruption in many industries beyond the use of legal loopholes.
The State can also be inefficient coupled with corruption (no worse than some capitalists) but when I stayed in China, I found that the mixed economy model worked though there are still areas of exploitation. I think private enterprise and state involvement in certain industries can work.

Cheap products through purchase from exploited labour in other countries poses a problem but I don't think it's a bad idea to push more manufacturing back into the USA. If workers require more pay, that money will circulate in the economy creating more jobs to accommodate for increased spending.

In the US a poor person is often seen as a criminal. Stopped by police, and sometimes arrested for loitering or vagrancy. The US is providing social services which are better than most other countries,though its not perfect.

The solution is the elimination of top-down power relationships and replacing them with horizontal democratic relationships. Not only in government but in the workplace too.

It is not some utopian dreamland.

It is just a way to avoid the problems that arise from the easy corruption inherent to top-down power systems that leads to exploitation of the powerless.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Capitalism IS exploitation. You can't remove it.

You can't pretend that American society is not being propped up by cheap products and food that exist because of exploitation.

And total freedom is possible but it is extremely difficult. It is not something people really want. They want the benefits of society.

Some want the benefits but do not want to pay for them.

The fear of being driven into poverty only exists within a society that sees poverty as some kind of crime and sees social services as extravagances.

And so your answer to the problem is to chant "anarchism" and pretend the paying for the benefits goes away.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I think that's complete nonsense. Tribes and tribal power emerge and vanishes fluidly. Wherever there's anarchism or a weak central government you get tribalism and tribal power bases.

Europe has had, and have tribes, we just don't call them tribes. The term "tribes" only refer to non-Christians or non-Europeans. Let's take your example, churches. They are extremely tribal in their organisation. Why don't we call members of churches for tribesmen? They are. If the government of USA would collapse, I'm pretty sure the churches would start working as government institutions. Just like religious institutions always do when governments collapse. It's the same as the sociology/anthropology divide. Sociology is about "us". Anthropology is about "them".

It's completely normal to have a wide array of loyalties, to a variety of organisations and institutions. In the west we just like to pretend that's not so.

Nepotism and corruption has been rife all over the west. We didn't start getting it under control until the 20'th century. A huge problem why the colonies were so badly run, was due to western corruption. They didn't become more corrupt when they became independent.

Lower social trust = more nepotism and corruption. The west has higher levels of social trust than the middle east and Africa. How do think it got that way? Pixie dust?

It got that way slowly over centuries. Tribalism forms quickly. But takes for fucking ever to break. Political leaders over long time have to try really hard to be inclusive. To make sure that minorities aren't excluded. Or make sure that the main identity isn't exclusive.

Sweden broke tribalism by being horrendously authoritarian and intolerant of differences. But very accepting and inclusive once you decided to be Swedish.

I'm sure there's many methods.

But the key is for the ruling elite not to favour people just like them only.

 

[untermensche]

Capitalism IS exploitation. You can't remove it.

You can't pretend that American society is not being propped up by cheap products and food that exist because of exploitation.

And total freedom is possible but it is extremely difficult. It is not something people really want. They want the benefits of society.

Some want the benefits but do not want to pay for them.

The fear of being driven into poverty only exists within a society that sees poverty as some kind of crime and sees social services as extravagances.

And so your answer to the problem is to chant "anarchism" and pretend the paying for the benefits goes away.

When you see a huge problem you try to come up plans to address it.

Powerful dictators that now control governments are a huge modern day problem.

And like when faced with the problem of the King the solution is a separation of power and democracy.

We must take what the founders started one step further.

If we have any sense of justice and hope of survival.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And so your answer to the problem is to chant "anarchism" and pretend the paying for the benefits goes away.

When you see a huge problem you try to come up plans to address it.

Powerful dictators that now control governments are a huge modern day problem.

And like when faced with the problem of the King the solution is a separation of power and democracy.

We must take what the founders started one step further.

If we have any sense of justice and hope of survival.

The problem is your "solution" is simply ignoring a big part of the problem.