The Axis of Upheaval - Russia, China, Iran and North Korea

[SLD]

The Axis of Upheaval

America’s adversaries are uniting to overturn the global order.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Probably behind a paywall, but maybe it will give you a few free articles.

What I’ve been saying. There is a coordinated attack on the US and western led world order by these nations, and we need a united and coordinated response to stymie their efforts. The United States must become far more internationally invested. It should up its defense capabilities significantly, along with all of its allies. Europe and Japan need to seriously step up their defense forces. The hard truth is that the United States cannot handle a war against China and an attack against NATO. it must rely on its allies.

The other thing it must do is much stronger info ops and even black psyops. The one advantage that the west has is that each of these nations fears their own people. The right psyops could bring them down or significantly weaken them.

 

[barbos]

What I’ve been saying. There is a coordinated counter-attack on the US and western led world order by these nations,

Fixed for you.

 

[SLD]

What I’ve been saying. There is a coordinated counter-attack on the US and western led world order by these nations,

Fixed for you.

Not yet. But soon enough.

 

[Harry Bosch]

The Axis of Upheaval

America’s adversaries are uniting to overturn the global order.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Probably behind a paywall, but maybe it will give you a few free articles.

What I’ve been saying. There is a coordinated attack on the US and western led world order by these nations, and we need a united and coordinated response to stymie their efforts. The United States must become far more internationally invested. It should up its defense capabilities significantly, along with all of its allies. Europe and Japan need to seriously step up their defense forces. The hard truth is that the United States cannot handle a war against China and an attack against NATO. it must rely on its allies.

The other thing it must do is much stronger info ops and even black psyops. The one advantage that the west has is that each of these nations fears their own people. The right psyops could bring them down or significantly weaken them.

The biggest advantage that our side has is that we have much much greater soft power. Barbos is right, we have "attacked" Russia. But it's been through our soft power. Countries near Russia are fleeing towards the west because they want to trade and have relations with countries that won't bomb the shit out of them. For example, Armenia (among many other countries) is moving west because they don't have to worry that German and Luxemburg are going to bomb them and blow up their power stations. Russia is a bully. They use threats and covert acts to compel countries to bend to their will. The west simply uses its soft power to encourage countries to move west. Here's the deal: its incredibly cheaper to deploy soft power than hard power. Hard power is stronger in the beginning. And Russia has stolen 20% of Ukraine and killed many civilians. But they have also lost thousands and thousands of troops. Many hundreds of thousands of lives lost. Their entire country is entirely focused on their war. They are losing younger people in droves. Every day this goes on, they are losing in the IP and technology races which is really the important "war" that drive counties forward. Russia has great resources, that will dwindle in importance over time compared to technology and IP. Long term, Russia is fucked.

The real issue is which direction will China go? Does China want war, confrontation and coercion with the world? Or does China want to remain in the broad world economy? Does it want to go all out in IP and technology and live in peace?

 

[barbos]

The biggest advantage that our side has is that we have much much greater soft power. Barbos is right, we have "attacked" Russia. But it's been through our soft power.

Soft, sure. You go around Russia and fund and install Russia haters. And then quote their "Russia bad, help us!"

Sorry man you don't have soft power, you never had. You had money to buy politicians in other countries but now you don't even have that. Well, you still can buy small "countries" but not reliably.

 

[barbos]

What I’ve been saying. There is a coordinated counter-attack on the US and western led world order by these nations,

Fixed for you.

Not yet. But soon enough.

That does not compute.

 

[barbos]

And Russia has stolen 20% of Ukraine and killed many civilians.

Russia took back what was given to them on the condition of good behavior.
They behaved badly, so we take back what is ours.
And Israel has killed way way way more civilians in a way way shorter amount of time.

 

[barbos]

US does not want to lose tight control of the world they have had since the fall of the USSR.
But you have to do it, you can't sustain not doing it.

 

[ZiprHead]

And Russia has stolen 20% of Ukraine and killed many civilians.

Russia took back what was given to them on the condition of good behavior.
They behaved badly, so we take back what is ours.
And Israel has killed way way way more civilians in a way way shorter amount of time.

Bullshit. Cite the claim

 

[barbos]

And Russia has stolen 20% of Ukraine and killed many civilians.

Russia took back what was given to them on the condition of good behavior.
They behaved badly, so we take back what is ours.
And Israel has killed way way way more civilians in a way way shorter amount of time.

Bullshit. Cite the claim

Are you OK?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And Russia has stolen 20% of Ukraine and killed many civilians.

Russia took back what was given to them on the condition of good behavior.
They behaved badly, so we take back what is ours.
And Israel has killed way way way more civilians in a way way shorter amount of time.

There was no issue of "given". And it's Russia that behaved badly.

 

[barbos]

There was no issue of "given"

What does that mean?

 

[barbos]

And it's Russia that behaved badly.

Nope, ukrainians behaved badly. They allowed to be used against Russia.
And Russia is taking all that was given to them back.
And you will end up with Galitzia and nothing more.

 

[SLD]

And it's Russia that behaved badly.

Nope, ukrainians behaved badly. They allowed to be used against Russia.
And Russia is taking all that was given to them back.
And you will end up with Galitzia and nothing more.

Yes. Because your armed forces have done such a good job against a much smaller force. In two years they may have advanced a few kilometers.

 

[barbos]

And it's Russia that behaved badly.

Nope, ukrainians behaved badly. They allowed to be used against Russia.
And Russia is taking all that was given to them back.
And you will end up with Galitzia and nothing more.

Yes. Because your armed forces have done such a good job against a much smaller force. In two years they may have advanced a few kilometers.

So if I were you I would not post that.
You spent 20 years in Afghanistan against enemy with kalashnikovs.
Russia is beating the crap out of a puppet of the whole collective west.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile, Rules Based Hegemon is organizing fist fights in Georgian Parliament over the "rule" which they themselves promoted for themselves. So there are rules for Hegemon and different rules for everyone else.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And Russia has stolen 20% of Ukraine and killed many civilians.

Russia took back what was given to them on the condition of good behavior.
They behaved badly, so we take back what is ours.
And Israel has killed way way way more civilians in a way way shorter amount of time.

There was no issue of "given". And it's Russia that behaved badly.

There was no issue of "given"

What does that mean?

Ukraine wasn't given anything, there could be no conditions attached to something that didn't exist. It simply declared it's independence at a time when Moscow wasn't in a position to stop it from leaving.

 

[barbos]

By the way, senile Biden forgot to include North Korea into the list.
And the way it's going India will be soon included. South Africa too, Brasil,.... Indonesia.

 

[barbos]

There was no issue of "given"

What does that mean?

Ukraine wasn't given anything, there could be no conditions attached to something that didn't exist. It simply declared it's independence at a time when Moscow wasn't in a position to stop it from leaving.

They declared their independence but then failed to establish it and now Russia is recalling it.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile, Rules Based Hegemon is organizing fist fights in Georgian Parliament over the "rule" which they themselves promoted for themselves. So there are rules for Hegemon and different rules for everyone else.

One Euro-Reich Parliament critter suggested kicking out Georgia out of the pass to Euro-Reich for "insubordination"