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The Devaluation of Work

AthenaAwakened

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There has been a concerted effort over the last several decades to devalue work. Unions have been demonized, wages held stagnant, "right to work" legislation abound. The owners and hailed as "job creators" and the workers are bashed as ungrateful, unqualified, and are disciplined. The article below offers some analysis as to why.

The union-bashing and labour-trivializing that has come into vogue of late has typically been predicated on a small set of dubious assumptions:

The first is the notion, extensively debunked on this site and elsewhere, that the wages and benefits enjoyed by unionized workers are undeservedly generous, and have served only to exacerbate the economic downturn. Aided by the kinds of subtle rhetorical techniques beloved by news editors everywhere—the strategically positioned photograph, the passivized headline, the carefully selected metaphor—this perception has achieved a commonsensical flavour amongst unsuspecting readerships throughout the West. Narcotized from years of propaganda, we have been conditioned to scapegoat those who produce the wealth rather than those who have mismanaged it. The relationship between personal wealth and personal worth, we are assured, is a linear one: the more money a person has, the more he’s contributed to society, so let him be. Those who have literally given their lives to their industries, by contrast—often enduring lurid occupational hazards along the way, such as daily exposure to toxins and radiation—are called overpaid parasites.

The second of these assumptions is the notion that there is a qualitative distinction between “skilled” and “unskilled” labour whereby certain kinds of activities (e.g. picking apples) inherently merit less remuneration, because one does not need special credentials to undertake them, while other kinds of activities (e.g. marking essays) merit more remuneration, because such positions do require special accreditations. I will not here examine the legitimacy of this belief. I will say, however, that the dichotomy—designed as it is to engender feelings of envy and resentment—lends itself beautifully to the managerial divide-and-conquer tactics familiar to labour organizers. When a cafeteria server’s wage is perceived to be too high, the teaching assistant is supposed to gaze ruefully at her hard-earned B.Sc. diploma and become indignant. When a laboratory technician loses her job, the bricklayer is supposed to feel a frisson of delight at the revelation that education does not confer immunity. We are all supposed to seethe bitterly when those less “skilled” than we refuse to know their place, and to smirk when those more “skilled” than we are brought down a notch or two.

The third of these assumptions is the conviction that university diplomas and professional degrees confer uniqueness and irreplaceability. Janitors are, allegedly, all more or less interchangeable; PhDs are not. This is the logic upon which my friend, the administrator, was drawing in lamenting the dispensability of her position. But is this even remotely true? When a university department sets up a hiring committee in order to fill a vacant professorship, one of the first things they do is determine what kind of specialist they are looking for: someone who studies land tenure systems in East Africa, for instance, or an arctic archaeologist. A formal job search is then launched, and, for each and every one of these vacancies, hundreds of roughly identical applications pour in. For each and every professor—or lawyer, or doctor—who retires or resigns, someone equivalently qualified is waiting in the wings. Does this mean that all arctic archaeologists are interchangeable? No. What it means is that, in an economy that treats us all as utilities, formal education in itself accords neither indispensability nor individuality.

We ought not delude ourselves. We all wield skills that are vital to our collective survival: the construction worker no less than the engineer, the lab technician no less than the endocrine surgeon. When a waste collector finds himself unemployed, society does not screech to a halt, true—nor does it when an architect finds herself unemployed. There are no unalterable or essential criteria behind these distinctions, whatever the economists say. Labour is labour; we are either all replaceable or all irreplaceable.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/05/18/on-the-devaluation-of-labor/
 
There has been a concerted effort over the last several decades to devalue work. Unions have been demonized, wages held stagnant, "right to work" legislation abound. The owners and hailed as "job creators" and the workers are bashed as ungrateful, unqualified, and are disciplined. The article below offers some analysis as to why.

The union-bashing and labour-trivializing that has come into vogue of late has typically been predicated on a small set of dubious assumptions:

The first is the notion, extensively debunked on this site and elsewhere, that the wages and benefits enjoyed by unionized workers are undeservedly generous, and have served only to exacerbate the economic downturn. Aided by the kinds of subtle rhetorical techniques beloved by news editors everywhere—the strategically positioned photograph, the passivized headline, the carefully selected metaphor—this perception has achieved a commonsensical flavour amongst unsuspecting readerships throughout the West. Narcotized from years of propaganda, we have been conditioned to scapegoat those who produce the wealth rather than those who have mismanaged it. The relationship between personal wealth and personal worth, we are assured, is a linear one: the more money a person has, the more he’s contributed to society, so let him be. Those who have literally given their lives to their industries, by contrast—often enduring lurid occupational hazards along the way, such as daily exposure to toxins and radiation—are called overpaid parasites.

The second of these assumptions is the notion that there is a qualitative distinction between “skilled” and “unskilled” labour whereby certain kinds of activities (e.g. picking apples) inherently merit less remuneration, because one does not need special credentials to undertake them, while other kinds of activities (e.g. marking essays) merit more remuneration, because such positions do require special accreditations. I will not here examine the legitimacy of this belief. I will say, however, that the dichotomy—designed as it is to engender feelings of envy and resentment—lends itself beautifully to the managerial divide-and-conquer tactics familiar to labour organizers. When a cafeteria server’s wage is perceived to be too high, the teaching assistant is supposed to gaze ruefully at her hard-earned B.Sc. diploma and become indignant. When a laboratory technician loses her job, the bricklayer is supposed to feel a frisson of delight at the revelation that education does not confer immunity. We are all supposed to seethe bitterly when those less “skilled” than we refuse to know their place, and to smirk when those more “skilled” than we are brought down a notch or two.

The third of these assumptions is the conviction that university diplomas and professional degrees confer uniqueness and irreplaceability. Janitors are, allegedly, all more or less interchangeable; PhDs are not. This is the logic upon which my friend, the administrator, was drawing in lamenting the dispensability of her position. But is this even remotely true? When a university department sets up a hiring committee in order to fill a vacant professorship, one of the first things they do is determine what kind of specialist they are looking for: someone who studies land tenure systems in East Africa, for instance, or an arctic archaeologist. A formal job search is then launched, and, for each and every one of these vacancies, hundreds of roughly identical applications pour in. For each and every professor—or lawyer, or doctor—who retires or resigns, someone equivalently qualified is waiting in the wings. Does this mean that all arctic archaeologists are interchangeable? No. What it means is that, in an economy that treats us all as utilities, formal education in itself accords neither indispensability nor individuality.

We ought not delude ourselves. We all wield skills that are vital to our collective survival: the construction worker no less than the engineer, the lab technician no less than the endocrine surgeon. When a waste collector finds himself unemployed, society does not screech to a halt, true—nor does it when an architect finds herself unemployed. There are no unalterable or essential criteria behind these distinctions, whatever the economists say. Labour is labour; we are either all replaceable or all irreplaceable.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/05/18/on-the-devaluation-of-labor/

So who is the this they who are responsible for this agitating one worker against another.

BTW the logic doesn't really hold together. Why would a degree make one irreplaceable? After all,there is only room for 750 PhDs in physics each year. Looks like a "the money people are out to get you" opinion piece.
 
Looks like a "the money people are out to get you" opinion piece.

In case you haven't been paying attention, the money people are out to get us . . . or at least the little bit of money they've left us so far.
 
The union-bashing and labour-trivializing that has come into vogue of late has typically been predicated on a small set of dubious assumptions:

The first is the notion, extensively debunked on this site and elsewhere, that the wages and benefits enjoyed by unionized workers are undeservedly generous, and have served only to exacerbate the economic downturn. Aided by the kinds of subtle rhetorical techniques beloved by news editors everywhere—the strategically positioned photograph, the passivized headline, the carefully selected metaphor—this perception has achieved a commonsensical flavour amongst unsuspecting readerships throughout the West. Narcotized from years of propaganda, we have been conditioned to scapegoat those who produce the wealth rather than those who have mismanaged it. The relationship between personal wealth and personal worth, we are assured, is a linear one: the more money a person has, the more he’s contributed to society, so let him be. Those who have literally given their lives to their industries, by contrast—often enduring lurid occupational hazards along the way, such as daily exposure to toxins and radiation—are called overpaid parasites.

The second of these assumptions is the notion that there is a qualitative distinction between “skilled” and “unskilled” labour whereby certain kinds of activities (e.g. picking apples) inherently merit less remuneration, because one does not need special credentials to undertake them, while other kinds of activities (e.g. marking essays) merit more remuneration, because such positions do require special accreditations. I will not here examine the legitimacy of this belief. I will say, however, that the dichotomy—designed as it is to engender feelings of envy and resentment—lends itself beautifully to the managerial divide-and-conquer tactics familiar to labour organizers. When a cafeteria server’s wage is perceived to be too high, the teaching assistant is supposed to gaze ruefully at her hard-earned B.Sc. diploma and become indignant. When a laboratory technician loses her job, the bricklayer is supposed to feel a frisson of delight at the revelation that education does not confer immunity. We are all supposed to seethe bitterly when those less “skilled” than we refuse to know their place, and to smirk when those more “skilled” than we are brought down a notch or two.

The third of these assumptions is the conviction that university diplomas and professional degrees confer uniqueness and irreplaceability. Janitors are, allegedly, all more or less interchangeable; PhDs are not. This is the logic upon which my friend, the administrator, was drawing in lamenting the dispensability of her position. But is this even remotely true? When a university department sets up a hiring committee in order to fill a vacant professorship, one of the first things they do is determine what kind of specialist they are looking for: someone who studies land tenure systems in East Africa, for instance, or an arctic archaeologist. A formal job search is then launched, and, for each and every one of these vacancies, hundreds of roughly identical applications pour in. For each and every professor—or lawyer, or doctor—who retires or resigns, someone equivalently qualified is waiting in the wings. Does this mean that all arctic archaeologists are interchangeable? No. What it means is that, in an economy that treats us all as utilities, formal education in itself accords neither indispensability nor individuality.

We ought not delude ourselves. We all wield skills that are vital to our collective survival: the construction worker no less than the engineer, the lab technician no less than the endocrine surgeon. When a waste collector finds himself unemployed, society does not screech to a halt, true—nor does it when an architect finds herself unemployed. There are no unalterable or essential criteria behind these distinctions, whatever the economists say. Labour is labour; we are either all replaceable or all irreplaceable.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/05/18/on-the-devaluation-of-labor/

I do enjoy an article wherein the author begins by castigating the use of subtle rhetorical techniques, then proceeds to employ their own subtle rhetorical techniques!
 
I'm reminded of a line in the Buffalo Springfield song "Somethings Happening Here" ....paranoia strikes deep into your life it will creep...... I think its paranoia not something.
Well, these days, it was the '08 Recession. Companies had to seriously tighten the belt. And when the economy improved, have been slow to hire... making their employees crunch out more production.
 
Skilled work pays more because fewer people can do it and those who do do it have spent a lot of time and money getting those skills.

If skilled work did not pay more than unskilled work you would see very few skilled workers.
 
If you didn't need to acquire so much skill just to be able to make ends meet you would probably also see fewer skilled workers.
 
Skilled work pays more because fewer people can do it and those who do do it have spent a lot of time and money getting those skills.

If skilled work did not pay more than unskilled work you would see very few skilled workers.

The amount of time and money spent to get the skills is irrelevant to the price paid for those skills by the employer. It is almost exclusively a function of how many people can do it.

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If you didn't need to acquire so much skill just to be able to make ends meet you would probably also see fewer skilled workers.

This is probably true to some extent, although I'm not sure I understand how it is relevant.
 
The amount of time and money spent to get the skills is irrelevant to the price paid for those skills by the employer. It is almost exclusively a function of how many people can do it.

That's odd, because normally the more something costs to make the more it costs to buy.
 
The amount of time and money spent to get the skills is irrelevant to the price paid for those skills by the employer. It is almost exclusively a function of how many people can do it.

That's odd, because normally the more something costs to make the more it costs to buy.
It's not so simple as that, and the cost of goods isn't the only factor.

Yes, the production cost is an element in the minimum price that the seller can accept and still break even or make a profit. But if the minimum profit is more than the buyer is willing to pay, then no sale occurs. On the other hand, if the production cost is very low, but the product is in very high demand and the buyer is willing to pay for it, then the seller can get a very high price for it with no production cost to speak of.

Consider actors and athletes with natural talent. They don't incur massive amounts of student debt, yet they certainly command significant salaries. The production cost for them is low, their talent is innate and requires simply practice (not to say that practice is insignificant). The demand for their talent, however, is quite high... and the pool of alternative suppliers of their talent is very small. So the price for their services ends up being very high.

On the other hand, I will be uncharacteristically critical and point to philosophy majors. They endure quite a bit of schooling, and amass student debt. The production cost to become a Doctor of Philosophy is quite high. But the demand is very low. So even though the philosopher might want to recoup their production costs, they might end up flipping burgers just the same.
 
The amount of time and money spent to get the skills is irrelevant to the price paid for those skills by the employer. It is almost exclusively a function of how many people can do it.

In the short run, yes, but in the long run no.

If a skill doesn't draw enough pay to compensate for the time spent learning the skill people won't learn the skill and the supply of workers will eventually dry up.
 
That's odd, because normally the more something costs to make the more it costs to buy.
It's not so simple as that, and the cost of goods isn't the only factor.

Yes, the production cost is an element in the minimum price that the seller can accept and still break even or make a profit. But if the minimum profit is more than the buyer is willing to pay, then no sale occurs.

Unless the buyer has to have the product to conduct his own business then he needs to pay what the seller is demanding. If an employer is demanding a very narrow skillset then he must have to have that in order to continue doing business. If he can't afford the going rate for his inputs then he's not managing his business well.

On the other hand, if the production cost is very low, but the product is in very high demand and the buyer is willing to pay for it, then the seller can get a very high price for it with no production cost to speak of.

And yet high demand jobs like garbage collector pay little. Don't think it's a high demand job? Try going a few weeks without the garbage being picked up.

Consider actors and athletes with natural talent. They don't incur massive amounts of student debt, yet they certainly command significant salaries. The production cost for them is low, their talent is innate and requires simply practice (not to say that practice is insignificant). The demand for their talent, however, is quite high... and the pool of alternative suppliers of their talent is very small. So the price for their services ends up being very high.

On the other hand, I will be uncharacteristically critical and point to philosophy majors. They endure quite a bit of schooling, and amass student debt. The production cost to become a Doctor of Philosophy is quite high. But the demand is very low. So even though the philosopher might want to recoup their production costs, they might end up flipping burgers just the same.

We're not talking about philosophy majors or other skills that businesses might not need, although maybe they could use a couple PhD Phil.'s on staff to help them with their ethics, we're talking about very narrow skillsets that the companies themselves are demanding workers get. They have two options, pay to train someone in their very narrow skillset or pay the rate those that do have those skills are demanding.
 
I said it several times here before. People are not paid based upon the work they do. They're paid based on how easily they can be replaced.
 
And yet high demand jobs like garbage collector pay little. Don't think it's a high demand job? Try going a few weeks without the garbage being picked up.
Is garbage collection handled privately where you are? Or is it a government service? If the latter then supply and demand is not really the driving factor in how much they earn (nor in how much people pay for the service).
 
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