ruby sparks said:
Other than that........for example stressing the value and importance of logic (and repeatedly citing fallacies) in several discussions over an extended period of time, and then in this thread finding a way of saying it would not be important if is-to-ought was a fallacy. To me, it's blatant, but full marks for sophistry, as ever. Your mileage may vary.
First, no, I did not change my view that logic is very important.
Second, if I had, that would be an instance of
changing my mind. It is not improper to change one's mind, upon further studying a matter and/or making new observations.
Third, again, let me explain
again:
If it were the case that the examples of making moral assessments using information describable in non-moral terms involves a fallacy because the conclusion does not follow from the premises - which may well not be the case for all I know, because we may well have implicit probabilistic premises to connect the information with the probabilistic conclusion -
then for the same reason, the fallacy would be present in our assessments about color in the examples, and about illness, and about whether water is H2O, and generally about most assessments we make about the outside world, except
perhaps our immediate perception if one makes that distiction.
So,
if that is indeed a fallacy, then either that particular fallacy is not a problem at all, or we cannot even get basic information about the outside world, except
perhaps for immediate perceptions. Clearly,
under that assumption, the former is the case. That is not remotely sophistry, at all. The alternative to considering that that particular fallacy is not a problem would be to - again, under that hypothesis -, say that there is indeed a problem, and then conclude that we cannot even tell that (for example) cancer is an illness, or that the Moon Landing ever happened. That of course, [b}also would involve changing my mind, and massively so[/b] (and also irrationally so, but that aside), so of course by your standards of accusation, you could then charge me with sophistry. Damn if you do, damn if you do not.