The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

A nutshell view of Gnostic Christianity is expressed in the first two links. The third shows the attitude and result of Christian and Gnostic Christian interaction. I should point out that Gnostic Christianity does not hold to any supernatural belief, although I know that the literature, mostly written by those who won the God wars, wants to show that we do. Our myths have a lot of supernatural entities but they are myths, not reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4&t=338s

I heard the saying in the title of this O. P. some time ago and after looking at the moral aspects of both ideologies/ theologies; --- I think that statement to be true from a moral point of view.

Do you?

Regards
DL

 

[Horatio Parker]

For quite some time I've thought that the only viable future for Christianity is some form of Gnosticism.

I've not spent a lot of time on it, but it's unclear to me whether the ancient Gnostics considered Jesus to be God(in the supernatural sense) in man or an enlightened person.

That the emphasis is on an inner process alone makes it superior to Christianity.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

For quite some time I've thought that the only viable future for Christianity is some form of Gnosticism.

I've not spent a lot of time on it, but it's unclear to me whether the ancient Gnostics considered Jesus to be God(in the supernatural sense) in man or an enlightened person.

That the emphasis is on an inner process alone makes it superior to Christianity.

Thanks for this.

I agree with you.

That second link shows that what we think of Jesus is that he was a mythical good man icon. If you have read Joseph Campbell, his reference to heroes of 1000 faces is about the same way we think of Jesus.

I see at least two Jesus' speaking out of the scriptures. I like the esoteric mystic type that I quote but have no love, on moral grounds, for the Rome created wimpy pacifist Jesus who turns the other cheek and foolishly rewards evil.

I think your last refers to this Jesus.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL

 

[funinspace]

The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

<snip>

I heard the saying in the title of this O. P. some time ago and after looking at the moral aspects of both ideologies/ theologies; --- I think that statement to be true from a moral point of view.

Do you?

I'm going to have to go with: False.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

<snip>

I heard the saying in the title of this O. P. some time ago and after looking at the moral aspects of both ideologies/ theologies; --- I think that statement to be true from a moral point of view.

Do you?

I'm going to have to go with: False.

Quite the argument.

I gave my reasons in the O.P. for my position.

Show yours, if you can by showing the good morality behind Inquisitions and Jihads.

Regards
DL

 

[southernhybrid]

Actually, there are many "good" Christians. They just have some very crazy beliefs. I think the best type of Christian would be a UU Christian. UU's don't tell anyone what to believe, and they put a lot more emphasis on charity and social justice. Of course, you don't have to be a Christian to be a UU, and that's what I like about them.

 

[Horatio Parker]

For quite some time I've thought that the only viable future for Christianity is some form of Gnosticism.

I've not spent a lot of time on it, but it's unclear to me whether the ancient Gnostics considered Jesus to be God(in the supernatural sense) in man or an enlightened person.

That the emphasis is on an inner process alone makes it superior to Christianity.

Thanks for this.

I agree with you.

That second link shows that what we think of Jesus is that he was a mythical good man icon. If you have read Joseph Campbell, his reference to heroes of 1000 faces is about the same way we think of Jesus.

I see at least two Jesus' speaking out of the scriptures. I like the esoteric mystic type that I quote but have no love, on moral grounds, for the Rome created wimpy pacifist Jesus who turns the other cheek and foolishly rewards evil.

I think your last refers to this Jesus.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL

I prefer the Platonic approach. Pure being, or transcendence, is the ultimate state beyond intelligibility which corresponds to the idea of god. The intelligibility with which we communicate about god is the son. Known as the Good Itself or the One and the Form of the Good.

But the academy never developed a theurgy.

 

[funinspace]

The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

<snip>

I heard the saying in the title of this O. P. some time ago and after looking at the moral aspects of both ideologies/ theologies; --- I think that statement to be true from a moral point of view.

Do you?

I'm going to have to go with: False.

Quite the argument.

I gave my reasons in the O.P. for my position.

Show yours, if you can by showing the good morality behind Inquisitions and Jihads.

LOL...why would I bat at your straw?

Christians are lots of people, with various views and attitudes. I'd say it would be silly to lump all those individuals (or even sects) into a monolithic caricature.

Some Christians quite focused on helping people for the greater good:
http://www.umcor.org/
https://lwr.org/

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Actually, there are many "good" Christians. They just have some very crazy beliefs. I think the best type of Christian would be a UU Christian. UU's don't tell anyone what to believe, and they put a lot more emphasis on charity and social justice. Of course, you don't have to be a Christian to be a UU, and that's what I like about them.

Much of the old Christianity and sects have moved to a more progressive stance or left wing.

Not enough of them or trump would have never been elected.

I foresee many of the left wing churches just deciding to stop lying to people about God and follow the better road that this preacher found.



Many other pure atheist churches are popping up as well.

Care to opine on the two sects mentioned and shown in the O.P.?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I prefer the Platonic approach. Pure being, or transcendence, is the ultimate state beyond intelligibility which corresponds to the idea of god. The intelligibility with which we communicate about god is the son. Known as the Good Itself or the One and the Form of the Good.

But the academy never developed a theurgy.

The old Chrestians might disagree with you if Christianity had not corrupted their religion.

Their God and Jesus where called Jesus the Good and God the Good.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Quite the argument.

I gave my reasons in the O.P. for my position.

Show yours, if you can by showing the good morality behind Inquisitions and Jihads.

LOL...why would I bat at your straw?

Christians are lots of people, with various views and attitudes. I'd say it would be silly to lump all those individuals (or even sects) into a monolithic caricature.

Some Christians quite focused on helping people for the greater good:
http://www.umcor.org/
https://lwr.org/

Sure, some do, while advocating for homophobia and misogyny.

When I measure the good and evil of the mainstream religions, I think of the great numbers of victims they discriminate against without a just cause more than the few they might help.

Regards
DL

 

[funinspace]

Quite the argument.

I gave my reasons in the O.P. for my position.

Show yours, if you can by showing the good morality behind Inquisitions and Jihads.

LOL...why would I bat at your straw?

Christians are lots of people, with various views and attitudes. I'd say it would be silly to lump all those individuals (or even sects) into a monolithic caricature.

Some Christians quite focused on helping people for the greater good:
http://www.umcor.org/
https://lwr.org/

Sure, some do, while advocating for homophobia and misogyny.

Well, you clearly know nothing about the ELCA. Though the UMC is torn over the issue of homosexuality, IMPOV it is primarily because they don't want to loose the status of the largest US Protestant sect. On the other hand, I have met an openly gay music director within an UMC church. As far as misogyny is concerned, you seem to be enthralled upon your Gnostic high horse...

When I measure the good and evil of the mainstream religions, I think of the great numbers of victims they discriminate against without a just cause more than the few they might help.

You really aren't fond of clarity, are you? When you wrote at the start you were not at all clear whether you were talking about individuals or a vague grouping as a whole. With this statement and a few follow on ones, I am having to assume that you are lumping Christians all together in one blob. You might as well replace the word "humans" for "Christians" when effectively asking if they are not 'good'.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Sure, some do, while advocating for homophobia and misogyny.

Well, you clearly know nothing about the ELCA. Though the UMC is torn over the issue of homosexuality, IMPOV it is primarily because they don't want to loose the status of the largest US Protestant sect. On the other hand, I have met an openly gay music director within an UMC church. As far as misogyny is concerned, you seem to be enthralled upon your Gnostic high horse...

When I measure the good and evil of the mainstream religions, I think of the great numbers of victims they discriminate against without a just cause more than the few they might help.

You really aren't fond of clarity, are you? When you wrote at the start you were not at all clear whether you were talking about individuals or a vague grouping as a whole. With this statement and a few follow on ones, I am having to assume that you are lumping Christians all together in one blob. You might as well replace the word "humans" for "Christians" when effectively asking if they are not 'good'.

The vast majority claim to be in the mainstream religions of Christianity and Islam.

I will let you split hairs if you like but as far as I am concerned, all who fly the cross are Christians and all who fly the star and crescent are Muslims.

They all contribute to their immoral creeds.

Regards
DL